Rules clarification

[Cochonou]

Originally Posted by baub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then when u kill it with 15 and tyhere are 40+ scrubs looking at you feeling while scrubs u can be all GEE GEE GEE GEE BABY BABY BABY

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Geez baub ! Why did you post that video ? I give it 1 day for Karsten to show up !

[Joroz]

The moral of the story here is to force the hand... they are so shit crazy about pixels they will earn more suspensions and eventually get banned/disbanded.

also please define scrubs... and how does that differ from 90% of your guild with all the new untested apps?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Hackscendence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Rogean confirms. TMO douchebags.

I remember us using this exact same post by Rogean and losing. Haha, so funny how people are now using it against us the same way we used it against others. It lost then, it should lose now.


Also, BDA already admitted they were poopsocking their entire raid force because they couldn't log in. So they positioned like I said they did. Outside of aggro range to give themselves time to engage, but before TMO could log in. You were dicks for poopsocking, you poopsocked like an idiot and lost when TMO put 15 on the spawn. Next time poopsock 40 on traks spawn and discourage the other guild.

Don't pull a fuckin poopsock card with the casual QQ, it's just a poopsock battle you lost. You think TMO wanted to log 40 on so you could rush the spawn point before them, or with them, then there could be a giant bitchfest about who had the first 15 there, GMs would get involved and b/c they have such a hardon for TMO and you guys are the "underdogs" TMO would be forced off. IRC talks have already shown this.

Gratz whoever in TMO made the 15man call. You completely destroyed the other raid force, within the rules and without GM involvement. A+

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moral of the story, if you're going to Poopsock, do it at the right spot.

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normally this wouldn't be any of my business, but what if another guild wanted to compete over Trak? Why is it fair that your punishment for BDA's behaviour indirectly punishes other guilds? The way I see it as a third party, what BDA did didn't preclude us from competing, but claiming first-to-15 did. I'm not saying we were planning to contest Trak that night, but it discourages us and other casual guilds from doing so in the future when this kind of behaviour is the norm.

What did BDA do that deserved to be punished? Is killing juggs/reets and hoping to get lucky on a trak spawn bad behavior now? We don't ask everyone to camp out their main and be sitting at the login screen ready to be on within 1 minute, so when we have alot of people on we kill juggs and reets get spells and a few items and hope trak spawns. We have employed the same strategy on numerous occasions in the past and only once did we get a trak spawn while doing it.

Divinity tried the same strat Monday night but had no luck on trak spawn.

Tmo used to the rules to claim the spawn, I am not that upset about that. It sure beats Darthdeath training us. I would take a lawyer over a criminal everytime. It was even suggested during our jugg run that we should sit on the spawn but we deemed the costs outweighed the benefits b/c it makes the encounter much harder and this rule had not been used in quite some time which we thought would lead to a sort of arm's race scenario. Its been used again so I expect it will be used often now anytime a mob goes late in window.

I will say that I agree with the OP that if you are going to use the rule to have the gms award you the "camp" then you should be required to maintain your camp. Moving the 15 away the second the other guild moves along is pretty lame and for anything else would be considering leaving your camp. The discouragement for using this rule is that it requires a great deal of dedication and effort to get the mob as well as a more difficult encounter.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Savok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to ask, did TMO engage with those 15 and win? i only ask because the rules state with sufficient force:

Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected.

No.

BDA had almost 50 players near tola spawn killing juggs and reets waiting on trak to spawn. TMO and enraptured had a force camped at the "safe" rock / poopsock mountain. Then, with nine hours left in trakanon's window, they logged on and moved their 40 man raid force to a point in the lair that was only slightly closer to the spawn point than the BDA raid. After a bunch of douchebaggery by tmo and enraptured, BDA leadership called for our raid to leave the lair since Zeelot convinced them that he had screenshots and fraps to prove they had rights to the mob using the 15 man rule on the basis that he knew the exact spawn spot of trakanon and the exact agro range of trakanon and that BDA raid was "close, but just out of range".

After BDA raid left, TMO and enraptured raid force moved out of the lair back to poop mountain and waited around for hours safely while trakanon spawned. then they cleared juggs out and killed trakanon 10 minutes after spawn.

It's a clear abuse of the 15 man rule and complete douchebag maneuver as the "top" guild on server in these times where "lesser" guilds have set better examples to follow.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What did BDA do that deserved to be punished? Is killing juggs/reets and hoping to get lucky on a trak spawn bad behavior now? We don't ask everyone to camp out their main and be sitting at the login screen ready to be on within 1 minute, so when we have alot of people on we kill juggs and reets get spells and a few items and hope trak spawns. We have employed the same strategy on numerous occasions in the past and only once did we get a trak spawn while doing it.

Divinity tried the same strat Monday night but had no luck on trak spawn.

Tmo used to the rules to claim the spawn, I am not that upset about that. It sure beats Darthdeath training us. I would take a lawyer over a criminal everytime. It was even suggested during our jugg run that we should sit on the spawn but we deemed the costs outweighed the benefits b/c it makes the encounter much harder and this rule had not been used in quite some time which we thought would lead to a sort of arm's race scenario. Its been used again so I expect it will be used often now anytime a mob goes late in window.

I will say that I agree with the OP that if you are going to use the rule to have the gms award you the "camp" then you should be required to maintain your camp. Moving the 15 away the second the other guild moves along is pretty lame and for anything else would be considering leaving your camp. The discouragement for using this rule is that it requires a great deal of dedication and effort to get the mob as well as a more difficult encounter.

I didn't say your behaviour should be punished or that it was bad in any way, and I have no opinion on whether it is. My point was that if TMO was going to use first-to-15 as punishment against BDA, it's unfair that other guilds get punished as well.

[Crazyeye]

They have a game for casuals ya know, its called world of warcraped or something. Welcome for the best advice given in this thread so far.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What did BDA do that deserved to be punished? Is killing juggs/reets and hoping to get lucky on a trak spawn bad behavior now? We don't ask everyone to camp out their main and be sitting at the login screen ready to be on within 1 minute, so when we have alot of people on we kill juggs and reets get spells and a few items and hope trak spawns. We have employed the same strategy on numerous occasions in the past and only once did we get a trak spawn while doing it.

Divinity tried the same strat Monday night but had no luck on trak spawn.

Tmo used to the rules to claim the spawn, I am not that upset about that. It sure beats Darthdeath training us. I would take a lawyer over a criminal everytime. It was even suggested during our jugg run that we should sit on the spawn but we deemed the costs outweighed the benefits b/c it makes the encounter much harder and this rule had not been used in quite some time which we thought would lead to a sort of arm's race scenario. Its been used again so I expect it will be used often now anytime a mob goes late in window.

I will say that I agree with the OP that if you are going to use the rule to have the gms award you the "camp" then you should be required to maintain your camp. Moving the 15 away the second the other guild moves along is pretty lame and for anything else would be considering leaving your camp. The discouragement for using this rule is that it requires a great deal of dedication and effort to get the mob as well as a more difficult encounter.

If a guild invokes it, there has to be a guild to challenge it. If you see a guild claiming 15 with 15 and you want them to stay with 15, you should be required to keep people there as well.

One guild calls 15 with 15, fine, make them engage with 15 if it spawns. However, the other guild that wants them to engage with 15 should be required to enforce the challenge, not walk away and do whatever. It should discourage both sides from poopsocking and leading to the 15 on spawn.

FYI, Poopsocking generally leads to 15 on spawn or FTE GM calls. One route doesn't involve GMs the other does. TMO chose the correct route. The only other option TMO had was to give them Trakanon which is what BDA wanted. So cry more at not getting what you want, I see what your guild is truly upset about, not getting what they want (pixels).

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They need more trak bps to sell and more trak teeth for the feeder guild duh!

For real though, is standard procedure just to shit up a thread so it immediately goes to RNF, then continue to shit on it until everyone stops reading? When did server boards become somethingawful?

TMO has prided itself with a team of RNF trolls that shit up every thread in server chat that has anything derogatory about their guild in it.

[Relapse1]

sounds like you guys are still fighting over the same shitty content ..congrats

STILL GEttING THEM PIXELS OVER HERE

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