TMO adds Talendor to the endangered dragon list

[arsenalpow]

There was nothing fun about it. Gorenaire is basically unkillable unless you're VD/TMO so 3 guilds threw 90 people at him until he died. Then Sev/Tal were both early AM spawns so guilds had to combine efforts to take them down (well not the Tal kill, I'm sure TMO did the heavy lifting there)

Simulated patch days. No rolling repops. Variance is stupid

[Teddie1056]

Tell me if I am wrong, but wasn't variance classic?

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Teddie1056 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me if I am wrong, but wasn't variance classic?

There were no 96 hour windows on raid mobs in classic. I think there was variance but I doubt it was more than a few hours. Someone who actually raided back then will have to chime in.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Teddie1056 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me if I am wrong, but wasn't variance classic?

6-12 hours on some dragons, but most of it was a straight 7 day timer.

Here it is anywhere from:

3days +-18 hours Trakanon

3 days +-24 hours Maestro, Draco

7 days +-48 hours All other bosses

48-96 hour windows are completely unclassic on raid mobs.

On the other hand it spreads out the raids throughout the week/time zones so that more people have a chance to participate in raiding.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On the other hand it spreads out the raids throughout the week/time zones so that more people have a chance to participate in raiding.

I don't really agree with that assessment. It takes a particular level of dedication to track at all hours of the day and batphone at all hours of the day on the quest for pixels. If things spawn between 2am and noon on a weekday I'm betting only TMO and VD could field a force of 30 people to down most high end targets.

Maybe at one point variance was good for the server but currently it only caters to the hardcore raiding guilds. Trak spawned at 2am last night and TMO smoked him with no competition. Most other guilds aren't going to wake up for pixels with work in the morning. I'd be surprised if Taken had more than 12 for talendor this morning.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so considering VD is/was the 2nd guild on the server, and it looks like they are getting back in to things, we can/should just assume that its back to business as usual around the server.

ah well, was fun for a few weeks

We are just enforcing our endagered raid targets list, in one of the other thread several vd members including metallikus(an officer) agreed to leave these targets alone for the rest of the server.
VD is welcome to compete with us on any other raid target, however we don't want their bad behavior rewarded. Hopefully, next target they will leave alone

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in one of the other thread several vd members including metallikus(an officer) agreed to leave these targets alone for the rest of the server

Please find the quote where Metallikus agreed to leave TMO's "Endangered Species" targets alone for the rest of the server?

Searching Metallikus' posts in the "Endangered species" threads came up empty. Searching for the terms "leave" or "honor" (independently) in those threads also came up empty. The closest I have seen is this:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ave#post607243

Originally Posted by Peak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just tell us when you want to leave a trak up for the other guilds and we'll honour that no problems [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or you could just leave a trak up anytime in the next week since we arent raiding! /bonk

However, Peak is not an officer, nor did she agree to leave up the "Endangered Species" targets TMO has declared.

The "Endangered Species" targets are an agreement between TMO and the rest of the server, and VD has honored our place within that agreement. Please reserve your libel for RNF.

If VD declared we were leaving Trak up (a mob well within our power to kill, even now) for the rest of the server, would TMO honor that agreement?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please find the quote where Metallikus agreed to leave TMO's "Endangered Species" targets alone for the rest of the server?

Searching Metallikus' posts in the "Endangered species" threads came up empty. Searching for the terms "leave" or "honor" (independently) in those threads also came up empty. The closest I have seen is this:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ave#post607243


The "Endangered Species" targets are an agreement between TMO and the rest of the server, and VD has honored our place within that agreement. Please reserve your libel for RNF.

If VD declared we were leaving Trak up (a mob well within our power to kill, even now) for the rest of the server, would TMO honor that agreement?

My bad wasn't metallikus it was Peak, I thought he was an officer!

VD can declare they are leaving everything up, because you aren't getting kills.
TMO declaring we are leaving something up is us giving mobs we usually kill.

You have to actually be killing trakanon to give it up.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VD can declare they are leaving everything up, because you aren't getting kills.
TMO declaring we are leaving something up is us giving mobs we usually kill.

You have to actually be killing trakanon to give it up.

I think you need to decide if we are or are not competition. If you think we are, then choosing what gets left up shouldn't be unilateral.

Otherwise, if we aren't getting kills when racing you, why would we not go after things you choose to leave up? We do like killing bosses... and I don't think it's fair to say we are 'behaving badly' going after a target that you say we do not have the authority to leave up anyway.

I get that you're still getting a feel for where we are but it seems like one of the two options above needs to be chosen, rather than keeping a foot in both camps.

Anyway, this is the first and hopefully last time I ever post in any thread involving raiding and I'm only doing it because it's outside of RnF. I'll run along now.

[tekniq]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are just enforcing our endagered raid targets list, in one of the other thread several vd members including metallikus(an officer) agreed to leave these targets alone for the rest of the server.
VD is welcome to compete with us on any other raid target, however we don't want their bad behavior rewarded. Hopefully, next target they will leave alone

So you still treat VD like the VD it was before all their core players left? They are half the guild they once were and are likely to get 1 target a week now, if that. TMO kind of QQed their core raid force off the server, so I would assume they are on the same playing field as Acyrid, BDA, Taken, Divinity now, unless your ultimate goal is to QQ the whole guild off the server. Kinda sad how the minions of VD have to pay for the "wrongdoings" of upper management until they remove the guild tag...I guess you guys need someone to troll.