Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[Lostfaction]

I bought two urn mq’s with DaP funds. Props to anyone who wants to camp a spawn for 24 hours keep on farming those babies and I’ll keep buying them

[servirus06]

Anyways this thread is senseless now. people have explained to you in multiple ways, that DS cant be like scout/ angry / shady / ring 8 roll, the main reason being that she has around a 40% drop rate of urn, and I'm telling you I have seen it not drop for 7 days straight. there would be no way to track which day and also if people would even care if they won that day, if u won 6 days before and didn't get.

other issue is being a roll, the massive and constant trains just before roll, so only people with FD classes could effectively roll.

Lastly unlike scout/ shady/ angry/ and ring roll, you can literally have nothing done with quest in progression, just have the key to charasis to get in zone, which is super easy to get, and win the roll and you got an urn you cant even use to complete your quest, so I'm guessing its purely for sale and to just keep taking alts to do the same which is what farm crews did to create demand and sell at higher prices, it also give chance for exempted accounts to log more than 1 since its impossible to know if 2 people actually rolling or just one hitting enter on both keyboards. Does that really sound fair to all?

This is my last post in this thread I hope you are able to find something better than URN group to make it more fair but, everything that has been proposed does not work at all for the supposed points you are trying to address, but you also seem stuck on what you proposed, and disregarding working ideas. URN group isn't perfect and changes keep being made to make it as fair and efficient as possible, but its the closest to perfection we have been able to create so that anyone is able to actually get their urn, without having to drop 120k+ plat for each one

Bunch of people complaining of not enough urns to buy, I think I said this before, most people that join urn are to get their quest completion. that means they will work to get their stuff done, which means the urn they got will not go to market. If you wanna buy one you have to wait for people that decide to keep going for profit, you can't be crying no urns selling lol, no one is gonna not finish their quest to sell to you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Number of unique URNers 87) this is last year statistic, when system was put to work, that means that more than 90 people got at least 1 urn last year, since bot wasn't done when it started and it was done with pen and paper, be it for their use or for sale, but I'm sure more than 75% used for themselves and the rest that were gained were most likely used on alts also. not even counting the one Brool gave away just because he is awesome. So yeah there is no doubt urns have been or shortage for sales, because people are getting them for themselves.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by servirus06 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyways this thread is senseless now. people have explained to you in multiple ways, that DS cant be like scout/ angry / shady / ring 8 roll, the main reason being that she has around a 40% drop rate of urn, and I'm telling you I have seen it not drop for 7 days straight. there would be no way to track which day and also if people would even care if they won that day, if u won 6 days before and didn't get.

other issue is being a roll, the massive and constant trains just before roll, so only people with FD classes could effectively roll.

Lastly unlike scout/ shady/ angry/ and ring roll, you can literally have nothing done with quest in progression, just have the key to charasis to get in zone, which is super easy to get, and win the roll and you got an urn you cant even use to complete your quest, so I'm guessing its purely for sale and to just keep taking alts to do the same which is what farm crews did to create demand and sell at higher prices, it also give chance for exempted accounts to log more than 1 since its impossible to know if 2 people actually rolling or just one hitting enter on both keyboards. Does that really sound fair to all?

This is my last post in this thread I hope you are able to find something better than URN group to make it more fair but, everything that has been proposed does not work at all for the supposed points you are trying to address, but you also seem stuck on what you proposed, and disregarding working ideas. URN group isn't perfect and changes keep being made to make it as fair and efficient as possible, but its the closest to perfection we have been able to create so that anyone is able to actually get their urn, without having to drop 120k+ plat for each one

Bunch of people complaining of not enough urns to buy, I think I said this before, most people that join urn are to get their quest completion. that means they will work to get their stuff done, which means the urn they got will not go to market. If you wanna buy one you have to wait for people that decide to keep going for profit, you can't be crying no urns selling lol, no one is gonna not finish their quest to sell to you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Number of unique URNers 87) this is last year statistic, when system was put to work, that means that more than 90 people got at least 1 urn last year, since bot wasn't done when it started and it was done with pen and paper, be it for their use or for sale, but I'm sure more than 75% used for themselves and the rest that were gained were most likely used on alts also. not even counting the one Brool gave away just because he is awesome. So yeah there is no doubt urns have been or shortage for sales, because people are getting them for themselves.

The thread currently has a poll going that seems to be doing decently in favor the change, so I wouldn't say it's senseless in the slightest. If I see overwhelming support for Blue's URN idea, I can start another agreement for that one in particular.

In regards to trains: there's already a pretty decent system (as someone already mentioned) for reporting that type of behavior. Remember, even if you win the roll in this scenario you still have to be able to kill DS, so not sure you're going to see a ton of people sitting there.

I can't really speak to the success/failures of URN on blue, seems like so far it's a lot of mixed feelings.

[Ruien]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread currently has a poll going that seems to be doing decently in favor the change, so I wouldn't say it's senseless in the slightest. If I see overwhelming support for Blue's URN idea, I can start another agreement for that one in particular.

In regards to trains: there's already a pretty decent system (as someone already mentioned) for reporting that type of behavior. Remember, even if you win the roll in this scenario you still have to be able to kill DS, so not sure you're going to see a ton of people sitting there.

I can't really speak to the success/failures of URN on blue, seems like so far it's a lot of mixed feelings.

Just to be clear: Blue's URN system does not require any new rule change or player agreement. You can implement it today without any additional red tape.

There's no need for a new poll- just set it up and go. Brool even offered to provide the bot code for you; that's something that took a fair bit of development work initially.

[Ripqozko]

URN sucks dont make that mistake on green

[PatChapp]

If they implemented a roll it would have to have the same agreement as skargus,you would stay for the kill otherwise only the few classes that can solo dru would be able to do it.
If less than 100 people regularly showed up I would be astounded. No prerequisites at all, small chance at 250k item, people would do it daily.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they implemented a roll it would have to have the same agreement as skargus,you would stay for the kill otherwise only the few classes that can solo dru would be able to do it.
If less than 100 people regularly showed up I would be astounded. No prerequisites at all, small chance at 250k item, people would do it daily.

Makes sense, although I doubt the price stays at 250k as the item becomes more accessible to the rest of the server. If we are going to hypothesize that 100 people show up daily, we can also make the same hypothesis that the price tag goes down also.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they implemented a roll it would have to have the same agreement as skargus,you would stay for the kill otherwise only the few classes that can solo dru would be able to do it.
If less than 100 people regularly showed up I would be astounded. No prerequisites at all, small chance at 250k item, people would do it daily.

Cool as urn may be imo the benefit of 2 servers is 2 cultures so there should be a different solution to each problem on the servers.

[PatChapp]

The price is driven by supply,which would be largely unaffected unless they also increased the drop rate.
Urn prices won't be changed much,if at all.
Right not there is lots of demand and none for sale, next urn on the market could easily hit 300.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The price is driven by supply,which would be largely unaffected unless they also increased the drop rate.
Urn prices won't be changed much,if at all.
Right not there is lots of demand and none for sale, next urn on the market could easily hit 300.

This is a lot of theorizing for my taste, but I'll try to elaborate. The high price of the urn is directly tied to the monopolization of the spawn by a single group or guild (on repeat for long periods of time). A recent example you're aware of I'm sure is your own guild holding it for ~34 days now 24/7 with an acquisition I heard of around 15 urns (nice). This monopolization creates an artificial scarcity, driving up prices due to the lack of access for the broader player base.

You're right about the supply and demand part as a basic economic principle. In this case within the last 34 days Castle controls the camp, dictates the supply, releasing urns into the market at their discretion (or not at all), which inflates the price.

Furthermore, when access to the camp is limited to a select few, the demand from the larger player base remains unmet. This imbalance between high demand and artificially restricted supply causes the price inflation. Over the past six months the price of the urn has escalated significantly (seems almost a 30% increase over 9 months also).

Implementing a fairer system, such as a roll or list, would democratize access to the camp, increasing the supply of urns available to the general player base. This would help stabilize prices, as more players would have the opportunity to obtain the urn directly rather than relying on the market controlled by a few.

The current system perpetuates an inflated price due to monopolization and restricted access, not because of natural market forces. A more equitable approach would address this issue, benefiting the entire community by making the urn more accessible and reasonably priced. Overall, this is a little too much speculation for my liking.