Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[Croco]

In this thread I don't think you need to admit to being wrong about anything. I agree with your stance of sta being the clear choice. However you are still absolutely awful to interact with, try to have a conversation with, debate, you name it.

I have seen many threads over the years where you were varying degrees of wrong and staunchly refused to even consider the possibility. Have I read every single thread you've posted in? Definitely not. I'd probably be locked in an insane asylum if I even attempted that feat.

That combined with the fact that you categorically refuse to let anyone have the last word on you makes you utterly abominable to deal with for any length of time. You are the antagonist of virtually everyone on this forum. If I actually cared and hated myself slightly more I would go back through your post history to see how many threads you interacted with that ended with you having the last post and then eventually everyone else decides they don't want to continue the conversation and the thread dies. I bet it's a LOT.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this thread I don't think you need to admit to being wrong about anything. I agree with your stance of sta being the clear choice. However you are still absolutely awful to interact with, try to have a conversation with, debate, you name it.

Thank you for agreeing with me. Your opinion about me is honestly irrelevant to the topic at hand, nor does it help OP. There is no requirement on this forum to be liked by Croco.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have seen many threads over the years where you were varying degrees of wrong and staunchly refused to even consider the possibility. Have I read every single thread you've posted in? Definitely not. I'd probably be locked in an insane asylum if I even attempted that feat.

Can you show an example of a thread where I was wrong and refused to admit it? Or are you just making up more fan fiction? Remember, simply disagreeing with me while refusing to provide evidence for your position is not an example of me being wrong, or me refusing to admit I am wrong.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That combined with the fact that you categorically refuse to let anyone have the last word on you makes you utterly abominable to deal with for any length of time. You are the antagonist of virtually everyone on this forum. If I actually cared and hated myself slightly more I would go back through your post history to see how many threads you interacted with that ended with you having the last post and then eventually everyone else decides they don't want to continue the conversation and the thread dies. I bet it's a LOT.

This is a popular fan fiction people circulate. As per usual, you are "too lazy" to actually find evidence for these claims. It is easier to repeat this fan fiction until you believe it. You refuse to believe there are other possibilities, such as people who are trolling simply get bored of said trolling. That doesn't mean I need to get the last word in. It shows that people realize they aren't going to win by simply repeating insults over and over. It isn't like people provide evidence and stop posting, while I continue to rant. People devolve into insulting me over and over again, and then get bored.

If you think repeated insults are the proper way to end a discussion, you are simply incorrect.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a popular fan fiction people circulate. As per usual, you are "too lazy" to actually find evidence for these claims. It is easier to repeat this fan fiction until you believe it. You refuse to believe there are other possibilities, such as people who are trolling simply get bored of said trolling. That doesn't mean I need to get the last word in. It shows that people realize they aren't going to win by simply repeating insults over and over. It isn't like people provide evidence and stop posting, while I continue to rant. People devolve into insulting me over and over again, and then get bored.

If you think repeated insults are the proper way to end a discussion, you are simply incorrect.

I went through your last 250 posts. Roughly 20 threads. I left out posts in the EC forum. Of those 20 threads 9 of them are either you getting the last post or the next to last post where the person who posts after you is responding or saying something completely off topic to what you said so as to make it unnecessary for you to reply to them. Similarly a few of them have a post by you then 3-4 posts from other people again usually either agreeing with you or completely off topic to what you were arguing about. Negating the need for you to respond back.

9 out of 20 threads. You have approaching 5k posts but you tend to post A LOT in the threads you do post in. I could continue to search the entirety of your post history to get a pin point accurate number of threads that you had to have the last word in (or there abouts taking into account the caveats I listed above) but (a) I don't care enough to thoroughly prove this point, (b) I have better things to do with my life, and (c) you would just disagree with the data and the conclusions I drew.

I'm also not going to post links to any of these threads that I found because I have no interest in getting into a tit for tat pissing match with you about whether you agree with my findings or not. For all intents and purposes the threads I saw combined with the experiences of a lot of people on these forums speak for themselves.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I went through your last 250 posts. Roughly 20 threads. I left out posts in the EC forum. Of those 20 threads 9 of them are either you getting the last post or the next to last post where the person who posts after you is responding or saying something completely off topic to what you said so as to make it unnecessary for you to reply to them. Similarly a few of them have a post by you then 3-4 posts from other people again usually either agreeing with you or completely off topic to what you were arguing about. Negating the need for you to respond back.

9 out of 20 threads. You have approaching 5k posts but you tend to post A LOT in the threads you do post in. I could continue to search the entirety of your post history to get a pin point accurate number of threads that you had to have the last word in (or there abouts taking into account the caveats I listed above) but (a) I don't care enough to thoroughly prove this point, (b) I have better things to do with my life, and (c) you would just disagree with the data and the conclusions I drew.

I'm also not going to post links to any of these threads that I found because I have no interest in getting into a tit for tat pissing match with you about whether you agree with my findings or not. For all intents and purposes the threads I saw combined with the experiences of a lot of people on these forums speak for themselves.

Please post the threads you are referring to. Did you leave out the people who were simply insulting others and posting nonsense? I am not sure why you think people getting bored of trolling equates to me getting the last word. I am sorry, but saying "I have the evidence, I just don't want to show it", is a silly excuse lol.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please post the threads you are referring to. Did you leave out the people who were simply insulting others and posting nonsense? I am not sure why you think people getting bored of trolling equates to me getting the last word. I am sorry, but saying "I have the evidence, I just don't want to show it", is a silly excuse lol.

You are free to search through your own post history to see all the threads I saw. There are lots. I'm not going to debate you. I have more interesting things to do with my life. I already regret the 20 or so minutes I spent looking through 10 pages of your most recent posts.

[Ripqozko]

easy 100 pages from DSM just replying

[Duik]

Popular fan fiction you say?
It is apparent, at even a cursory glace of the posts by others you are in fact disliked at best, reviled by many. So this fan fiction of yours is the only fiction we have.
Croco even agrees with you and STILL you do not relent.

So kudos! You were correct. And still, the sole reason for this post was some simple advice on sta or str at creation, with a few simple caveats, but still the thread gets muddied to the point that it is no use to anyone.
Even if sta was the best choice, i doubt anyone cares.
There, im last poster.

[fortior]

Lol this thread is still going and he even brought up casting divine intervention on a rogue. There is no way this dude actually plays p99, he just forum quests all day.

[fortior]

Melee classes and hybrids are a bit weird. A lot of your dps is mana-free, so you ideally want to be pulling/DPSing with as high an uptime as possible. The reason warriors want as much HP as possible is because of CH and because the toughest mobs in the game (the only mobs requiring a warrior tank basically) deal absurd amounts of damage per round.

There are some tough encounters where you'd want lots of health on a tank too, like if you're breaking into planes or doing nasty pulls with a bunch of caster mobs. However it's much less of a requirement than for someone tanking AoW or tunare for example.

For everything else in the game, aka constant pulls of blue mobs, stats which provide a continuous benefit are going to be more useful than a stat which doesn't really do anything as long as you stay alive. For knights, who don't tank the hardest mobs anyway, you could definitely make an argument for something other than stamina. On high sta race warriors, I'm a fan of dexterity

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Melee classes and hybrids are a bit weird. A lot of your dps is mana-free, so you ideally want to be pulling/DPSing with as high an uptime as possible. The reason warriors want as much HP as possible is because of CH and because the toughest mobs in the game (the only mobs requiring a warrior tank basically) deal absurd amounts of damage per round.

There are some tough encounters where you'd want lots of health on a tank too, like if you're breaking into planes or doing nasty pulls with a bunch of caster mobs. However it's much less of a requirement than for someone tanking AoW or tunare for example.

For everything else in the game, aka constant pulls of blue mobs, stats which provide a continuous benefit are going to be more useful than a stat which doesn't really do anything as long as you stay alive. For knights, who don't tank the hardest mobs anyway, you could definitely make an argument for something other than stamina. On high sta race warriors, I'm a fan of dexterity

In my opinion, as a Paladin player, the longer it takes before CH is in efficient range the better. So, I think stamina is the best choice unless you've started on a completely new server, then it's strength. In a developed server, you'll easily gain access the weight reduction bags and plentiful strength.

If you're playing the class like you're supposed to, which is being an excellent group tank, then charisma and wisdom won't be needed much.

All the melee classes get a mediocre scaling with stamina, and you want to maximise and ease your way to 255 strength as soon as you can as Rogue, so why does it matter if you go stamina? Unless you're in the top end guilds that can easily acquire the best gear in the game in short order, extra stamina is pointless on a Rogue.