student loans are a hit!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea turns out it’s really really hard to permanently change someone like a sociopath or narcissists personalities. We also can’t rehabilitate things like pedopholia

But if you have some MKULTRA sort of way to re-program someone, I’m sure the penal system and behavioral health might be interested

Not committing multiple felonies is not rocket science. The majority of the poor know and understand how to avoid doing it their entire lives

People need to understand what "being institutionalized" means.

It's not as simple as The Shawshank Redemption makes it out. It's far more extensive. Poor youth plan on doing times. It part of the rhythm. It's how fucking relationships get actually built. ("My girl is coming through this week!")

The class is the institution, not the prison. That's structuralism. Any given "structure" reflects the "structure" of the entire "assembly."

"Free people" should not feel too sure they ain't just as institutionalized as the brothers. Just a matter of if you know how to get beat yet. I know how to get beat. Do not let them near your hands. They know how to bust a nerve so you'll never hold a fork right. Let them have the ribs. Sounds counterintuitive, but that's kinda what they are for.

[Origen]

Men commit most violent crime. Let's double the penalties of all male convicted offenders

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men commit most violent crime. Let's double the penalties of all male convicted offenders

Fine with that. Harsh consequences are an effective deterrent, which is their main purpose

Not committing felonies isn’t rocket science. The vast majority of the population, including the very poorest, have it figured out

[loramin]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fine with that. Harsh consequences are an effective deterrent, which is their main purpose

In what alternate universe?

Study after study has shown harsher sentences don't deter crime:

Originally Posted by https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/do-harsher-punishments-deter-crime

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith,” says UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown. “I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

It's very, very simple: let's say you're thinking of killing someone. Do you stop and think "well, in some other state murder is a ten year sentence, but in my state it's twenty years, so I better not murder this guy?" No, you either think "I'm not going to get caught, so it doesn't matter", or you're acting in a fit of rage (and not thinking at all).

Harsher penalties are good for exactly one thing: making victims feel better ... and not by much. If your mom gets murdered, do you really think you're going to feel much better when the guy who murdered your family member gets 20 years instead of 10?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In what alternate universe?

Study after study has shown harsher sentences don't deter crime:



It's very, very simple: let's say you're thinking of killing someone. Do you stop and think "well, in some other state murder is a ten year sentence, but in my state it's twenty years, so I better not murder this guy?" No, you either think "I'm not going to get caught, so it doesn't matter", or you're acting in a fit of rage (and not thinking at all).

Harsher penalties are good for exactly one thing: making victims feel better ... and not by much. If your mom gets murdered, do you really think you're going to feel much better when the guy who murdered your family member gets 20 years instead of 10?

Are you kidding? I really don’t care what cherry-picked studies you can find, the difference of giving away 10 additional years of your life is monumental. How about you go sit in a box for 10 years and tell me how easy it would be to do another 10

Ridiculous argument

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men commit most violent crime. Let's double the penalties of all male convicted offenders

If you're suggesting black people get higher penalties than white people that's again total bullshit.

For a black *first time* offender and a white *first time* offender, in the same jurisdiction, for the same crime, the penalties are statistically identical.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men commit most violent crime. Let's double the penalties of all male convicted offenders

Unforced error here.

[Nibblewitz]

Could it be that the sexes aren’t equal? Perish the thought!

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unforced error here.

Death Penalty convictions ect. ect.

[Origen]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unforced error here.

Not my precious scorecard! The opinions of fascists and those that enable them in pretend intellectual discussions are very important to me