SK Race Choice

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trolls are the master race for war/sham/sk. The combination of regen, kunark/snare clickies, stats, and slam are just too good to pass up.

Lol @ anyone who thinks this is worth giving up for FSI or iksar AC.

Unless you're trying to solo as a warrior for some weird reason, regen is nearly worthless. Ogres have better stats, FSI (which is still worth something), and - crucially - don't have -20 fire resist. The only time troll isn't dramatically worse than ogre is if you have some strange fetish about soloing with a class that has no business doing so. Regen is absolutely worthless anytime there's a healer of any kind. Even if we do pretend that you aren't at full HP 90% of the time, the miniscule amount of health gained is completely irrelevant.

It's a drop in a bucket that then gets emptied out into an industrial-sized vat that is subsequently drained into a freighter's liquid tank. Regenerating a few dozen hit points per minute is worth absolutely nothing when mobs are hitting for 100+ every two seconds and you have somewhere between 2k and 5k HP. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron. Soloing is the only exception, and soloing with a warrior is for morons.

Mind you, I do quite like regen on a shaman or SK. Those classes can actually make use of it.

[Ennewi]

Pulling as a SK there have been times where FD wasn't enough to prevent death, due to a dot or two that landed and the group's healer being too far OOR to toss out a heal. Regen would have helped counter those dots. Granted, only a handful of times but it still. And there's always fungi/zlandi heart for those oh shit moments but most players aren't going to have either of those.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regen is absolutely worthless anytime there's a healer of any kind.

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

I think Shaman being a better DPS than Mage may take the cake. lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Shaman being a better DPS than Mage may take the cake. lol

Why are you discussing your own delusions? You keep reading "Shamans can out DPS Mages via root/rotting" as "Shamans always do more DPS than Mages".

Please stop making yourself look bad both in terms of reading comprehension, and posting offtopic nonsense.

Do you actually have any input towards the topic at hand?

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

Why do you have to be so nasty on these forums? You continue to just make yourself look bad.

Regeneration has much less utility in a group with a good healer. Is it useless? No, but it's utility goes down quite a bit. That is why Troll/Iksar Regeneration loses a lot of utility once a Shaman gets Torpor. Having +300 HP Regen makes the +8 extra standing regen basically unnoticeable. Often times I don't even bother to cast Regrowth on myself, which is +15 HP/Tick. It just isn't necessary.

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

Troll/iksar bonus regen gives (when standing) +1/tick until level 51, +4/tick until 56, +7/tick until 60, and +8/tick at 60. Since we're talking about tanks and warriors specifically (I appreciate this thread is about SK races, but you replied to a comment about warriors), the character is never going to be sitting, so only standing regen values matter. It doesn't matter that you get more when sitting, a warrior will never be sitting.

Obviously, this racial ability is totally worthless up until level 51, so let's take a level 56 troll warrior for our example. His race gives him 7 HP per tick, or 70 per minute. That's 4200 HP per hour. In reality, it's significantly less because the warrior will be at full HP quite a lot of the time, so let's say it's half of that. In reality, it's probably way less than half unless the healer is OOM all the time.

Let's take a level 56 cleric. He regenerates 21 mana per tick, or 210 per minute. 12600 per hour, but let's say 10000 because he isn't sitting 100% of the time. Since it's kind of impossible to calculate the HPM of Complete Healing, we'll say that he uses exclusively Celestial Healing and Divine Light. Let's suppose he uses both equally. The former has a HPM of 3.2 and the latter has 2.6, so an average of 2.9.

Troll/iksar regen (at 56) provides:
7 HP/tick
70 HP/minute
4200 HP/hour (but really more like ~2000 since any time spent at full HP is wasted)

Cleric's mana regen provides:
61 HP/tick
610 HP/minute
29000 HP/hour

The cleric's numbers are easily doubled if using CH, but we can't really do math on that. In that event, racial regen would account for less than one twentieth of what the healer provides, and CH mana efficiency on an ogre's slightly bigger HP pool would probably match it. Granted, not every healer is a cleric, so there's no point launching into a bunch of CH theorycrafting.

Suffice to say that troll/iksar regen accounts for an insignificantly miniscule portion of healing, and is literally entirely worthless in any scenario where the healer's mana isn't being stressed. If the healer isn't running out of mana and creating downtime or deaths, troll regen could be five times higher than it currently is and it wouldn't actually amount to more XP/hour or less chance of wiping or whatever other metric by which one can measure its usefulness. It will never make any sort of difference. It's entirely unnoticeable.

Regen is good when you aren't getting healed, or when healing you would put an unnecessary burden on the healer. It's nice for a shaman spamming canni, or an SK soloing. That does not apply to tanks in groups where even such trivial things as the inevitable overhealing that happens non-stop across a grinding session makes tiny increments of regeneration meaningless. If regen really mattered to tanks, they would be wearing fungi tunics to any non-raid content. Spoiler alert: they don't, because when you're getting healed constantly and the healer's healing is ten or twenty times more efficient (in terms of mana per tick and healing per mana) than your passive regeneration, it just never affects anything and is meaningless.

In short, you're an imbecile.

[Toxigen]

Yeah but you've got a tubbybutt.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but you've got a tubbybutt.

Thats why it’s minmax! Loaded up with disease clouds ready to fire (is it even modicum of aggro these days?)

[Troxx]

Maybe I like a little junk in the trunk!

Biggest down side is being a fat ass in tight spaces with no ability to shrink without chugging a potion

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I like a little junk in the trunk!

Biggest down side is being a fat ass in tight spaces with no ability to shrink without chugging a potion

You can fix said tubbybutt with Shroud of Undeath, Soul Defiler, or AoN. You wouldn't be able to slam in Skeleton form with most weapons, but you can with Epic.

Skeleton form with SK Epic is the height of fashion.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats why it’s minmax! Loaded up with disease clouds ready to fire (is it even modicum of aggro these days?)

Not anymore sadly. You want to use Shadow Vortex, Shroud of Hate, and Clinging Darkness now.