JBB, is it really that good?

[Penish]

Silky still doesn't understand how to solo efficiently at 60, but I'm glad to see a vast majority of the crowd here does

cannis + torpor will outweigh any instance you could literally ever click a JBB at 60
Lay down the mental gymnastics for a day and just admit you're wrong Silky (not that it will ever happen) lawl

what a fuckin mook

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silky still doesn't understand how to solo efficiently at 60, but I'm glad to see a vast majority of the crowd here does

cannis + torpor will outweigh any instance you could literally ever click a JBB at 60
Lay down the mental gymnastics for a day and just admit you're wrong Silky (not that it will ever happen) lawl

what a fuckin mook

We are still waiting for you to show us how to play the game. Unfortunately you continue to concede that you have no idea what you are talking about. Insults are not an argument, nor are they tips for how to play. I doubt you will show us anything, since you are probably too scared to post a video.

There's no reason not to have and use JBB at 60 if you are not an Iksar. I am sorry you are unable to think about how to play the game in ways other than your narrow incorrect assumptions.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are still waiting for you to show us how to play the game. Unfortunately you continue to concede that you have no idea what you are talking about. Insults are not an argument, nor are they tips for how to play. I doubt you will show us anything, since you are probably too scared to post a video.

There's no reason not to have and use JBB at 60 if you are not an Iksar. I am sorry you are unable to think about how to play the game in ways other than your narrow incorrect assumptions.

you’d have to prove using jbb is somehow resulting in more kills per hour considering that’s how you seem to measure dps value in other threads frequently writing off minor dps gains.

You can’t say things like 20 extra str isnt worth it while also saying having jbb is good to have to mix in 1-2 clicks without providing actual evidence of real value.

We will await your defense of your contradicting claims.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you’d have to prove using jbb is somehow resulting in more kills per hour considering that’s how you seem to measure dps value in other threads frequently writing off minor dps gains.

You can’t say things like 20 extra str isnt worth it while also saying having jbb is good to have to mix in 1-2 clicks without providing actual evidence of real value.

We will await your defense of your contradicting claims.

+1 for fun crowd

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you’d have to prove using jbb is somehow resulting in more kills per hour considering that’s how you seem to measure dps value in other threads frequently writing off minor dps gains.

You can’t say things like 20 extra str isnt worth it while also saying having jbb is good to have to mix in 1-2 clicks without providing actual evidence of real value.

We will await your defense of your contradicting claims.

I am not sure why you think 20 points of starting stats into STR is related to a mana free clickie nuke on a class that basically stops meleeing once they get JBB. Please stop trying to spout nonsense because you couldn't prove your point about starting stats in a different thread. I have video evidence of using JBB at 60. You have nonsensical commentary.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, can you run a 2+ min parse showing how to mix in debuffs, dots, canni, torp, and JBB without letting them expire?

It should be as simple as copy/pasting your log file here.

For full disclosure I have my doubts the mix of clicks is as efficient as you think. I hope I’m wrong but rather than just taking something as truth we should probably see all the messages for ourselves.

I've already shown my Ionat fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPxeOVuX0G8 . I was averaging 4 Cannibalizes per Torpor on a marathon fight against a hard mob. That is about 20 seconds every minute. You can use your imagination to fill in the other 40 seconds.

You can also look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuVBewCNgY - I did 5000 damage to the Cliff Golem with just JBB, which is 1/6th of it's life.

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're 60 and casting on low blues, sure.

Pox doesn't get resisted that often on tough fights either. Not really sure why you keep insisting Pox gets resisted a lot. You have no evidence to back it up, and personally I haven't seen it. I use Pox a lot on tougher mobs, so I would have noticed if it was getting resisted a ton.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

J
So you have 12s leftover before you NEED to Torpor again, and need to start canni'ing again for the next Torpor. Do you re-slow, refresh DoTs, , get a few extra cannibalize in, or click JBB? Hrmmm

I don't know how many times I have to keep saying you don't want to Torpor/Cannibalize all the time in certain fights. I don't know why people keep assuming this is true.

As a quick example https://youtu.be/oPxeOVuX0G8?feature=shared&t=745 - This video starts at 12:25. Between 12:25 and 12:33 I take 776 damage from Ionat and I was Cannibalizing, which was another 148 damage. In 8 seconds I took 924 damage while the mob was slowed. That is 35% of my total HP pool at 2620 life in 8 seconds, with buffs and raid gear. What if this damage spike occurred while you were in the middle of casting Torpor, and Torpor got interrupted? You could be taking 1500 damage or so total without Torpor. I've had bad luck like that happen before. It's simply not worth it to risk dying on a long fight like Ionat. You waste way more time dying than simply playing it safe and extending the fight a few minutes.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know how many times I have to keep saying you don't want to Torpor/Cannibalize all the time in certain fights. I don't know why people keep assuming this is true.

Did I misunderstand what you said here? You want Torpor up all the time. Torpor is 200 mana. Shaman need to cannibalize to get mana.

I'm just not understanding

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why you think 20 points of starting stats into STR is related to a mana free clickie nuke on a class that basically stops meleeing once they get JBB. Please stop trying to spout nonsense because you couldn't prove your point about starting stats in a different thread. I have video evidence of using JBB at 60. You have nonsensical commentary.

It’s related, and it’s quite simple why, let me make sure you understand this.

You claim your monk does just fine with 150 str, being content with your dps. Yet you sit here and say a shaman should still have jbb to mix in a few clicks at 60 when you can’t canni. So you obviously value incremental dps gains(a few jbb clicks here and there on an Ionat fight is extremely minimal), yet you seem to discredit the value of a 20 str dps increase.

So In one thread to say “to hell with small dps gains” and in another thread you say “yea you should take advantage of small dps gains”. You can’t keep your facts straight, so it’s important for me to defend the truth.

I hope you can see the hypocrisy in this, but if not, as long as others can I’m ok with that.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've already shown my Ionat fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPxeOVuX0G8 . I was averaging 4 Cannibalizes per Torpor on a marathon fight against a hard mob. That is about 20 seconds every minute. You can use your imagination to fill in the other 40 seconds.

You can also look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuVBewCNgY - I did 5000 damage to the Cliff Golem with just JBB, which is 1/6th of it's life.
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Using our “imagination” and watching YouTube instead of looking at math is how we have come to live in a post-fact society. It’s also we get to 50 page threads that shouldn’t go past page 5.

[Toxigen]

oy m8 wot the fok u just say?

[Snaggles]

DSM, can you run a 2+ min parse showing how to mix in debuffs, dots, canni, torp, and JBB without letting them expire?

It should be as simple as copy/pasting your log file here.

For full disclosure I have my doubts the mix of clicks is as efficient as you think. I hope I’m wrong but rather than just taking something as truth we should probably see all the messages for ourselves.