there is a private list system going on at AC in OOT?

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying if you can't commit twelve hours a day without interruption to playing EQ, no meal breaks, no getting some fresh air, not even being able to use the restroom like a proper bloke, you'll never have access to the items or content you want? That's not how a game should be. A game should be an escape from the stresses of real life. One should not have to feel shackled to it to be able to enjoy it or progress in it.

I've camped pretty much every significant camp in EQ. You're being hyperbolic about how hard it is. Yes, you need time...but you can eat, watch tv, read, play other games (including EQ on other servers). You set timers and monitor the room for other players/trains, but it isn't nearly as poop socky as you describe it.

Ironically, the worst camp I've ever done in EQ was the guise on p99 green. Yah, I'm guarenteed the item...but the afk checks for literally 48 hours is insane and horribly unhealthy for the people (like me) that did it straight up without someone else logging in my toon. By far the worst experience of my EQ life...by day 2 I was literally getting sick and starting to take cat naps in five minute clips. This is not what most camps are like in EQ without /list.

As for access to the items? Yah, you farm the pp like I said and buy your fbss. For content? You're really over-stating how "fun" these camps are. You aren't missing anything after you've done them for an hour.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've camped pretty much every significant camp in EQ. You're being hyperbolic about how hard it is. Yes, you need time...but you can eat, watch tv, read, play other games (including EQ on other servers). You set timers and monitor the room for other players/trains, but it isn't nearly as poop socky as you describe it.

Ironically, the worst camp I've ever done in EQ was the guise on p99 green. Yah, I'm guarenteed the item...but the afk checks for literally 48 hours is insane and horribly unhealthy for the people (like me) that did it straight up without someone else logging in my toon. By far the worst experience of my EQ life...by day 2 I was literally getting sick and starting to take cat naps in five minute clips. This is not what most camps are like in EQ without /list.

As for access to the items? Yah, you farm the pp like I said and buy your fbss. For content? You're really over-stating how "fun" these camps are. You aren't missing anything after you've done them for an hour.

And what about named mobs that are on a one-week spawn timer and have necessary drops for Epics that are immediately batphoned two minutes after spawning? How do the non-elite guildies who can't commit 80 hours a week get them without having 500k to MQ it?

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what about named mobs that are on a one-week spawn timer and have necessary drops for Epics? How do the non-elite guildies who can't commit 80 hours a week get them without having 500k to MQ it?

I hear you...but now you're talking about changing the game. I don't know why EQ was made this way...and I don't know why so many people seem to love it.

If you need a rare item in EQ it has never just been handed to you. If you can't solo it you need friends...that means joining a guild...helping others, etc...they help you in return. I'm not sure what is so oppressive about that. It can literally take months or years to camp rare items in EQ between when you start chasing them and success...its always been part of the game.

Just an FYI, my necro on blue has her epic...I bought the loot rights to finish it. It took me over a year to earn the plat at the time and to find a seller that lined up with my play times. It was hard as hell to buy those pieces for me...and I have no regrets. For me, not being in an uber guild on blue at the time, this was the only way for my necro.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clever. But is the cure for camp problems on blue/green really to let our population get so low that at peak times each player has on average three whole zones to themselves?

That doesn't happen on blue/green.

If they shut blue and green down red pop would go up a lot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are inherently lazy then complain about having to share or being told to share. Or wait because they are ineffectual at gaming whatever the current system is.

This is what is defective about *working together peacefully **ism*. I'm not saying there aren't elements to either that don't work but the slippery slope to /lists is real.

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Selling loot rights has been clearly established as acceptable here.

Huh... that's quite interesting. I mean, on the one hand you are essentially buying off the current camp holder to take their place in line, jumping everyone else in the process. On the other hand, it's their camp currently, so it's not exactly like they are handing it off to the highest bidder... presumably the camp holder is still the camp holder after the transaction.

[fastboy21]

AFAIK, you are allowed to sell/buy loot rights to any item in the game.

You are also allowed to sell your camp itself AFAIK.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFAIK, you are allowed to sell/buy loot rights to any item in the game.

You are also allowed to sell your camp itself AFAIK.

Inb4 someone tries to sell Trakanon Guts to a Bard on green for 300kpp.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inb4 someone tries to sell Trakanon Guts to a Bard on green for 300kpp.

Yes, this is perfectly okay...as long as they aren't breaking any other rules to do it.

Yes, it is weird...but it is a legit part of the game. The game takes care of this for the most part as the market price of such items would be so astronomically high that the odds of finding a guild selling them and buyer buying them would be a very small part of the overall population while we are in era.

On Blue this happens all the time...because the items have been dropping for years by now.

And, on blue...I had to buy my bard's white scale for epic. Was totally normal thing to do...and I was happy that I could do it as farming the scale itself was impossible for me at the time.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFAIK, you are allowed to sell/buy loot rights to any item in the game.

You are also allowed to sell your camp itself AFAIK.

Well except player agreements ... which are about "turn-in rights" and so arguably aren't "camps" (and so maybe I'm just agreeing with you) ... do "trump" that I think. Emphasis added:

Originally Posted by https://wiki.project1999.com/Scout_Charisa/Player_Agreement

THE RULES ARE AS FOLLOW FOR ROLLING Scout Charisa:

YOU MUST HAVE THE Scout Tools. You win the roll, you turn in tools, you loot the disc. If you do not follow this rule you will be petitioned.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well except player agreements ... which are about "turn-in rights" and so arguably aren't "camps" (and so maybe I'm just agreeing with you) ... do "trump" that I think. Emphasis added:

Yah, I wasn't considering those situations...which are so limited that I just consider them special exceptions.