Merging Made Sense Then COVID-19 - Unmerge

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great solution, force people to invite randoms no matter what. That'll surely "fix" the server...

You have to admit forcing people to group is what made EQ great. Social forcing mechanisms are good for MMOs. Which is also why boxing is anathema.

[jerryR]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good post but Green is here to recreate the classic experience. Join my groups if you mistrust my altruism. I also don't solo camp at 50. Wrecks the classic experience.

If you want to solo to victory and be antisocial I recommend TLP or retail WoW.

Was more of a general statement, not specifically to your situation. Though I still think there's plenty of camps you can bring your group to get XP - might not be in your top 5 but it's possible. Hopefully summer will make it easier for your group going forward though, wish you luck.

Your second point I don't really understand though. It's the game mechanics and timeline that make it classic ? If the server is mechanically classic than however someone decides to play is irrelevant, no ? The idea that I'm somehow unwittingly playing the game 'unclassically' is a bit nuts to be honest. That is where you lost me. Enforcing a play style mechanically or otherwise seems more like WoW to me than EQ, which adds to the irony of your statement

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by jerryR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was more of a general statement, not specifically to your situation. Though I still think there's plenty of camps you can bring your group to get XP - might not be in your top 5 but it's possible. Hopefully summer will make it easier for your group going forward though, wish you luck.

Your second point I don't really understand though. It's the game mechanics and timeline that make it classic ? If the server is mechanically classic than however someone decides to play is irrelevant, no ? The idea that I'm somehow unwittingly playing the game 'unclassically' is a bit nuts to be honest. That is where you lost me. Enforcing a play style mechanically or otherwise seems more like WoW to me than EQ, which adds to the irony of your statement

This is I think were we have to keep in mind that Rogean and Nilbog are here recreating the classic experience not the exact mechanics. A prime example of this is not allowing boxing. Boxing is classic but it was highly unlikely a person could/would be running 6 computers. 1 person holding a camp by themselves while 2-6 boxing wrecks the classic experience. And 1 person holding a camp by themselves period wrecks the classic experience.

Solo camping was an outdoors thing not a dungeons thing.

[jerryR]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And 1 person holding a camp by themselves period wrecks the classic experience.

Solo camping was an outdoors thing not a dungeons thing.

But it was possible to do it in classic same as now, no ? I just don't see how your idea could possibly come to fruition without a mechanical intervention that would be equally un-classic. Splitting the server again is clearly not going to address this issue, so what are you actually suggesting is the solution ?

The only way to achieve a classic experience like you want is probably to buff mobs, modify spawns and pathing etc to make locking down camps solo a bit more inconvenient and other fundamental changes to make up for the fact it's 2020. And even then it's guaranteed the meta will swing and there will be some other way to accomplish the same thing just in a new way.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by jerryR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But it was possible to do it in classic same as now, no ? I just don't see how your idea could possibly come to fruition without a mechanical intervention that would be equally un-classic. Splitting the server again is clearly not going to address this issue, so what are you actually suggesting is the solution ?

The only way to achieve a classic experience like you want is probably to buff mobs, modify spawns and pathing etc to make locking down camps solo a bit more inconvenient and other fundamental changes to make up for the fact it's 2020. And even then it's guaranteed the meta will swing and there will be some other way to accomplish the same thing just in a new way.

Possible an commonly occurred are 2 different things. Rogean and Nilbog are recreating the classic experience not the exact classic mechanics. There are tons of changes to classic mechanics to maintain a classic experience.

[jerryR]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Possible an commonly occurred are 2 different things. Rogean and Nilbog are recreating the classic experience not the exact classic mechanics. There are tons of changes to classic mechanics to maintain a classic experience.

So why suggest splitting the server that does nothing to address your concerns ?

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by jerryR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why suggest splitting the server that does nothing to address your concerns ?

First, the server is overpopulated on the top end harming the classic experience. There is already precedence set for a temporary server to address unclassic populations (in live if populations were too large servers were added). It would help splitting out the top end population for high 40s and 50s group camp accessibility.

Would be great if my other suggestions were implemented but all I can do is make suggestions.

PS Are you shaping up to be another troll that restarted an account with 13 lifetime posts because your other forum accounts are ignored by too many people? Not saying you are yet but you only have 13 posts.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by jerryR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why suggest splitting the server that does nothing to address your concerns ?

If you read back through this guy’s posts, he’s upset that he has a static group and can’t easily roll into very popular camps and hold them down instead of having to wait for a spot in the group that’s there to open up; he doesn’t want XP he wants specific popular camps (I’m not sure if he ever actually played classic, because if he had he would know that it’s not realistic to expect to take your own full group to popular camps). He’s also upset that he can’t use that static group to take a very popular camp because someone is soloing it (which literally happened all the time on EQ - his suggestion that somehow back then people didn’t know how to solo a spawn is just nuts lol). He is also upset that Naggy and Vox are as contested that they are (probably is in one of the raiding guilds and doesn’t like missing out on targets).

Usually people use the “classic experience” argument when they don’t really have any solid points and want to make some vague amorphous claim without any real evidence. I was CSR at the time and I can 100% tell you that many of these valuable camps were frequently soloed (I remember all the petitions from them lol). By 6-7 months in, the online resources had come out and people knew where a lot of these great items were. People like Turbo who claim there weren’t many high level players just weren’t high level at the time themselves and so they didn’t actually see that it’s not far off from what it was like back then.

He also disregards the fact that in 1999 we split servers when they were well over 2k after a few months...not when they were 1400 at prime time lol. As you see from his last response to you, if you don’t agree with him he calls you a troll and criticizes your post count (kind of reminds me of a Trump supporter basically deflecting your valid argument and just criticizing you personally to downplay your point); for example, he said he put me on his ignore list simply because I continue to debate his baseless points which makes me a “troll” because I don’t agree with him.

What he needs, in essence, is instancing or pick zones like the TLPs offer because it’s clear he wants to be able to do whatever he wants whenever he wants which is not what classic EQ is.

[jerryR]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS Are you shaping up to be another troll that restarted an account with 13 lifetime posts because your other forum accounts are ignored by too many people? Not saying you are yet but you only have 13 posts.

I tried blue a long time ago ? Came back to give green a shot around a month ago because like many people, I have a surplus of free time at the moment. Generally I don't post on forums and only posted because of what Billwilliams said. Not not trying to engage you at all and certainly not trolling.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by jerryR [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tried blue a long time ago ? Came back to give green a shot around a month ago because like many people, I have a surplus of free time at the moment. Generally I don't post on forums and only posted because of what Billwilliams said. Not not trying to engage you at all and certainly not trolling.

Welcome back.

PS AC list 30 ppl long atm.