Any good guides for GINA? - Page 13

kylok · #1 10-19-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People in this thread are making a positive claim, namely that real-time log readers with UI elements were classic. A positive claim needs evidence to support it. Otherwise the negative claim (that such a thing did not exist) is the reasonable conclusion.

There are thousands upon thousands of old screenshots and forum posts that have provided all sorts of data for this project's recreation of the classic EQ experience. Finding evidence of UI elements and real-time log readers should be fairly easy if such things existed, because in the former case they would be clearly visible in screenshots, and in the latter they would inevitably be mentioned in forum discussions.

Given that EQ was forced full screen back then and real time parsing programs were ran on a second computer (and so few people did this) it's doubtful any screen shots would be found. At the very least we've entered a stale mate on anecdotal evidence. It's entirely plausible that this sort of thing did happen back then, and we have at least one person chiming in that they did in fact do this. It's not conclusive but it's a pretty strong argument given the circumstances.

Mblake81 · #2 10-19-2019, 03:21 PM

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Given that EQ was forced full screen back then and real time parsing programs were ran on a second computer (and so few people did this) it's doubtful any screen shots would be found. At the very least we've entered a stale mate on anecdotal evidence. It's entirely plausible that this sort of thing did happen back then, and we have at least one person chiming in that they did in fact do this. It's not conclusive but it's a pretty strong argument given the circumstances.

no, it isn't.

one guy? surely there would have been others needing an advantage so it would have been shared on some message board or something. Some reference to it. These kinds of things get out to the other players just like GINA does now.

The fact that there has been no links, no pictures, no forum posts, no nothing but a few guys making unverifiable claims. Giving the situation, such a claim could be easily fabricated to support their want of a program giving data.

ALSO: no one claimed using it on a second computer until I asked. This gave a way out into a shady area and you all slipped into it. Good job. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dekova · #3 10-19-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People in this thread are making a positive claim, namely that real-time log readers with UI elements were classic. A positive claim needs evidence to support it. Otherwise the negative claim (that such a thing did not exist) is the reasonable conclusion.

There are thousands upon thousands of old screenshots and forum posts that have provided all sorts of data for this project's recreation of the classic EQ experience. Finding evidence of UI elements and real-time log readers should be fairly easy if such things existed, because in the former case they would be clearly visible in screenshots, and in the latter they would inevitably be mentioned in forum discussions.

The thing I've learned about arguing with people is that anything short of a big flashing you're wrong FedEx delivered package isn't going to change their mind. I don't think I'm going to change yours.

I gave you guys the information I had from my own personal experience back when I was working on a Y2K project, so that was 1999. Take it or leave it.

kylok · #4 10-19-2019, 03:07 PM

Seems like this all checks out - only difference I can see beyond programming sophistication is running EQ in a window and dragging the parser on top of it. GINA-like programs confirmed classic until evidence is presented to prove otherwise.

Niedar · #5 10-19-2019, 03:27 PM

Parsing existed in 1999, showing UI elements existed in 1999. Sorry to say, GINA is classic, what is your proof its not?

Mblake81 · #6 10-19-2019, 03:28 PM

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Parsing existed in 1999, showing UI elements existed in 1999. Sorry to say, GINA is classic, what is your proof its not?

Burden of proof is not on my shoulders. If you can make a forum posts several times to troll it is then you can easily take a moment to prove it.

Sorry you suck, Charlie Sheen.

Niedar · #7 10-19-2019, 03:30 PM

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Burden of proof is not on my shoulders. If you can make a forum posts several times to troll it is then you can easily take a moment to prove it.

Sorry you suck, Charlie Sheen.

Of course the burden of proof is on your shoulders, GINA is classic by default. Prove its not.

Mblake81 · #8 10-19-2019, 03:33 PM

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Of course the burden of proof is on your shoulders, GINA is classic by default. Prove its not.

Prove it is, troll.

kylok · #9 10-19-2019, 03:34 PM

Given that the current rule is that GINA is allowed it does seem that the burden of proof is upon the players wishing to change that.

Mblake81 · #10 10-19-2019, 03:35 PM

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Given that the current rule is that GINA is allowed it does seem that the burden of proof is upon the players wishing to change that.

I don't wish to change it. I haven't stated the devs should take it or requested that they do.

I just asked if it did, people became defensive. Blood is in the water.