Green should disallow GINA

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gina is hilariously not in the spirit of classic eq

This is what it comes down. We're starting Green without damned mana numbers in the UI because classic but these guys want to argue that third party overlays giving them incredibly detailed ability countdowns and buff timers and all kinds of stuff shouldn't be seen as not classic.

[Vexenu]

To be honest the technical arguments don't really matter. The simple fact is that GINA provides grossly unclassic gameplay advantages to the user. Which is why people in this thread are so upset by the prospect of it being banned.

There is literally no argument against the blatantly obvious fact that GINA as is being used today on Blue is incredibly powerful and not classic. The only argument I'm seeing is that it should be left alone because it runs outside the EQ client entirely and therefore should not (some say cannot!) be banned. These are bad arguments, akin to saying, "Because the police cannot stop everyone from getting drunk and getting behind the wheel, drunk driving should not be a crime."

If the staff decide they don't want GINA on Green I believe they could find a way to make running it extremely tricky (and risky, if the price for being caught is a ban), at the very least. Do not underestimate their cleverness or abilities.

[dekova]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the staff decide they don't want GINA on Green I believe they could find a way to make running it extremely tricky (and risky, if the price for being caught is a ban), at the very least. Do not underestimate their cleverness or abilities.

So when I hear people say "ban GINA", I really think they mean any of the multitude of programs that does what GINA does: read the logs and display info/timers.

In my head, there are two ways to do this:

1. Inspect all running executables.
2. Prevent logs from written or read in the first place.

I think there are technical and privacy issues with the first (ironically enough, wasn't it Sony that got in trouble for this?). The second is certainly doable.

[Trollhide]

itt: a bunch of purported adults are real fuckin' concerned about the specifics of the manner in which a bunch of other purported adults choose to play a 20 year old video game.

The absolute firstest of first world problems.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

itt: a bunch of purported adults are real fuckin' concerned about the specifics of the manner in which a bunch of other purported adults choose to play a 20 year old video game.

The absolute firstest of first world problems.

1) GINA provides enormous gameplay advantages
2) EQ inherently has a competitive component, in that players must compete for a limited number of spawns of the most contested mobs
3) It follows that players who do not use GINA are competitively disadvantaged compared to those who do
4) Since GINA is grossly unclassic, players are essentially being forced to sacrifice classic gameplay if they want to compete for highly contested spawns

Given that LITERALLY THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Green server is to create an experience of classic EQ as close as possible to the original, how can GINA on Green be reasonably defended by anyone? Leave it on Blue, no one cares. But why allow something so grossly unclassic on a server that is going to great lengths to be as classic as possible? It makes no sense.

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

itt: a bunch of purported adults are real fuckin' concerned about the specifics of the manner in which a bunch of other purported adults choose to play a 20 year old video game.

The absolute firstest of first world problems.

itt: a bunch of adults are FUCKIN concerned the way other adults play (GINA, boxing, macroquest, botting, etc) a 20 year old video game

you could use this retarded statement for literally anything, what a peanutbrain take

[Trollhide]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

literally anything

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[meritt]

If the staff decide they don't want GINA on Green I believe they could find a way to make running it extremely tricky

Disable logging. That's how you prevent GINA, DPS Parsers, Mappers, etc.

[bwe]

why can't i have my world of warcraft timers in my everquest it's not fair

[dekova]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why can't i have my world of warcraft timers in my everquest it's not fair

Go for it man, I don't care.