Reset Sleeper's Tomb

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Toomuch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what you're saying is that we should have a server-wide reset.
I am 100% for this logic.

RESET THE SERVER GUYS!!!!

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Well no, not at all, because there is literally precedent from the dev team in allowing not Classic things to be things.

In some cases unavoidable, in some cases just because they think it's easier, and in some cases probably because they don't care enough.

Nevermind that the timeline itself isn't 1:1 accurate, again undermining the point you thought you were making.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now this is probably true.

[squarez]

Personally, I think the whole point of the server is to give people an opportunity to go back at anytime and experience something as close to classic EQ as possible. That in mind, I think these are two possible solutions to these debates:

(preferred)
Implement something like 'seasonal' server (what green would be but reoccurring), with progression that dumps all characters to a 'legacy server' (like what blue is now) at the end of its timeline. Then starts the cycle all over again. *think Daybreak is not cool with this option

-OR-

(stopgap)
Implement some automated system to experience expired content (like warders and sleeper, maybe even nerfed items as well) over again. I mean if the server is never going to change or update and be a true untouched museum server, I don't see the issue in this for posterity purposes. There are all kinds problems with this solution and I still think the best way is the first option.

[aaezil]

Why are you assuming what daybreak wants/doesnt want/allows?

[squarez]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you assuming what daybreak wants/doesnt want/allows?

Don't have a direct source, multiple people on P99 have mentioned some kind of 'agreement' with the devs of P99 being one of the reasons we don't have an option 1.

*something along the lines of don't mess with our TLP demand or something of the sort

[loramin]

Originally Posted by squarez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't have a direct source, multiple people on P99 have mentioned some kind of 'agreement' with the devs of P99 being one of the reasons we don't have an option 1.

*something along the lines of don't mess with our TLP demand or something of the sort

Multiple people on P99 are also idiots. Who you listen to (hint: stick to knowledgeable people) is far more important than the quantity of people who don't actually know anything that you listen to.

And if you stuck to knowledgeable people, you'd know that A) "Green" is the entire point of this project, and B) the staff have flat out said the Daybreak agreement (whatever it entailed) did not prohibit new servers.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by squarez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't have a direct source, multiple people on P99 have mentioned some kind of 'agreement' with the devs of P99 being one of the reasons we don't have an option 1.

*something along the lines of don't mess with our TLP demand or something of the sort

Sounds a lot like an unsubstantiated rumor to me!

[Izmael]

Just make the warders repop with each quake.

Quakes are unclassic anyway, so might as well.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quakes are unclassic anyway, so might as well.

they are?