Awakened 30 day

[Tura]

Originally Posted by Tura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZE6mHHSsbY

Originally Posted by MalystryxVoF [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you fail to show me shouting TRAIN quite a few times before we all ran out warning you all, you also fail to show that several of yer guild mates were also at the bridge trying to FTE Dain there and interfered with our pull and that that is how our tagger got banished and eventually pulled the train back on our camp somehow.

anyhow, this is not even close to the same as your guild dropping fesh on us without any warning (that we did give you at dain, but chose to crop out). Your guildies all let you know to zone out before that train was even coming through the gates and only 3 of you guys died...
when fesh was dropped on us (remember that fresh FTE our MT got right away while tanking Eashen.. FRESH FTE... hence, fesh was dropped/flopped on us at the entrance as no awa had agro) our entire raid force was wiped out without warning.

also... yes you guys conceded after it happened. does that mean as long as you train others without warning and concede you should be fine and walk away with an "oops my bad we concede all is good now" ? no i do't think so. intentional or not.

The point is that shit happens. It happens to every guild. God, if I could find the videos of CSG flailing themselves around in Fear Plane and managing to train every camp in the zone....But we still wouldn't petition those instances, because there's no point. Players make mistakes and it's just a part of the game. We didn't petition you for bringing guards to ZL at Dain because its not worth it getting into that kinda stuff. Look at our guild chat...do you see a bunch on people in all caps crying to one another about the injustice of it all?

You can screech on all you want about how Fesh was dropped on you - insinuating it was intentional, but it wasn't 'flopped' on you. Opmeter already clarified what happened earlier.

[Culkasi]

What about a guild leaves the zone when they break the rules? That seems much better than conceding a mob, and then still shitting up the zone for the other guilds. Actually, that seems like a very sane way to deal with it. So when AA conceded Eashen, go kill some of the other mobs, and make sure you don't break the rules in ToV next time you want to kill something there.

Result. Everyone follows the rules, and noone has to deal with shittery whilst killing mobs.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It literally doesnt make a difference anymore, petitions go in secretly and no guilds communicate outside of A/A. Its all about what you can get video of evil A/A doing regardless whether the server rules are followed or not, if feelings are hurt you cant fix those so gotta punish over hundred people by not allowing them to raid together for a calendar month.

What a joke, fix the rules before more guilds get run into the ground bc of inconsistency.

That is the point I was trying to help our CSG friend towards. They should have just taken what happened at face value, accepted whatever you or another leader told their reps, and everybody carried on. Like A/A would.

Based on my interactions with CSG leadership during any sort of raid dispute, there is a huge overarching theme of CSG assuming everything we do is trying to game them. It makes it basically impossible to work with them since they put you in a position of being forced to accept some sort of responsibility on something bogus (like them trying to say you trained them with Fesh on purpose). Idk if it went down like that and I haven't dealt with CSG leadership in months, but just a hunch...

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about a guild leaves the zone when they break the rules? That seems much better than conceding a mob, and then still shitting up the zone for the other guilds. Actually, that seems like a very sane way to deal with it. So when AA conceded Eashen, go kill some of the other mobs, and make sure you don't break the rules in ToV next time you want to kill something there.

Result. Everyone follows the rules, and noone has to deal with shittery whilst killing mobs.

Enjoy scoring a petitionquest win, I appreciate your guilds not informing us that you felt conceding the mobs were not enough and wanted more justice. You have my skype, next time let us know that you are going to do that and we will return the favor.

At this point though, I dont know if we can even consider talking to you guys about anything with this kind of thing thrown at us.

Good job, makes all the /tells I was getting about a CSG/AW PoG event to better relations a big joke.

[Skew]

C/R/FFA wouldnt work if you use NTOV as one mob thinking about it.

Staff also have to consider some element of game theory here. When punishments become so severe , you lose the ability to control. If people quit or get banned for 50 days raiding , theyre going to start ignoring your authority. Too much stick and not enough carrot isnt a good mix.
New guilds will get formed etc.
Sure , you can go through each player and ban each a/c , but thats a whole new can of spaghetti and thats what will probably end up happening if the bans continue to be incremental.

Maybe thats the idea?

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoy scoring a petitionquest win, I appreciate your guilds not informing us that you felt conceding the mobs were not enough and wanted more justice. You have my skype, next time let us know that you are going to do that and we will return the favor.

At this point though, I dont know if we can even consider talking to you guys about anything with this kind of thing thrown at us.

Good job, makes all the /tells I was getting about a CSG/AW PoG event to better relations a big joke.

Honestly, I couldn't give a rats arse about the 30 day ban or the petitionquest. I think you will find most in CSG thinks that. But apparently its the only language you guys are willing to listen to. For years I have tried to talk to A/A leadership about allowing more space for casual guilds on P99, and everytime I have been told "Nope". And everytime we ask you guys to place nice when we are in the zone, you have told us "learn to petition". Now we have petitiond, and its also a problem? I honestly don't really know what you want anymore, apart from being able to rotate all the contat with Aftermath without casual scum ruining the parada (shame that narrowly got voted down yeah?).

All we ask for is to be able to kill a cpl of mobs per week without having to deal with trains and other shithattery - the only way we seem to be able to get that, is via petitionquest. That is your choice, not ours.

[Culkasi]

contat = content

[Culkasi]

and place = play - apart from that, great typing Culkasi!

[topgun1027]

GM's should post the evidence attached to the 30 day or w/e ruling of what happened so we can all see.

I know that I have been wrongfully suspended for kiting in fear without proof. Just logs of mob X was last aggroed on you and went to person XX because person XX aggroed your train somehow, shit happens there are honest people out there that cannot control game mechanics all the time / other people messing around with their trains / mobs.

Opmeter is a good person and anyone questioning that does not know him. So don't judge people you don't know with bs.

30 days is just ridiculous. No guild suspension should be that long.

[beversami]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is the point I was trying to help our CSG friend towards. They should have just taken what happened at face value, accepted whatever you or another leader told their reps, and everybody carried on. Like A/A would.

Based on my interactions with CSG leadership during any sort of raid dispute, there is a huge overarching theme of CSG assuming everything we do is trying to game them. It makes it basically impossible to work with them since they put you in a position of being forced to accept some sort of responsibility on something bogus (like them trying to say you trained them with Fesh on purpose). Idk if it went down like that and I haven't dealt with CSG leadership in months, but just a hunch...

Huh, I wonder why.