@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by paroxysmal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Willing to work with us? AM wanted ffa and they got what they wanted. They would have found a reason eventually to get what they wanted. They went from 12 mobs last agreement to 25 mobs this agreement (proposed), what would it be in the future? 40? all of them? When is it enough?

You may get CSG and Rustle to bend over and take whatever lessening scraps they can get each time. We will just choose to sit it out and let the server see how greedy AM continues to be. You've lost all sympathy on my part in having to deal with AW on a weekly basis. You two deserve each other.

So, how many mobs did you get this cycle compared to how many were offered to you as part of the rotation?

As in real mobs, not Fright and Terror.

[Phantasm]

I dont think they are frustrated at the amount proposed this cycle, but the 'unfairness' of raiding competitively as a whole (lol).

Had either Fires/ Venerate operated as a raiding entity during Kunark their perspective would be different Im sure. Fires/Venerate need to step up and perform before they start strong arming any agreements.

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think they are frustrated at the amount proposed this cycle, but the 'unfairness' of raiding competitively as a whole (lol).

Had either Fires/ Venerate operated as a raiding entity during Kunark their perspective would be different Im sure. Fires/Venerate need to step up and perform before they start strong arming any agreements.

probably so, I hear it was said that velious would fix the raid scene, but we can see that it has not, and it introduced how many more mobs/7 days?

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, how many mobs did you get this cycle compared to how many were offered to you as part of the rotation?

Nothing ever got finalized.

The proposed list from the previous agreement w/ am/rustle/csg/fv/infernus/anon/kittens/divinity to the last proposed one for this suspension period were vastly different.

AM went from a modest 12 or so picks to FFA, then relented to 25 mandatory unnegotiable picks.

As I have posted previously, it sets a bad precedent to unfairly balance this towards one guild when we are trying to work together.

I was willing to voluntarily step out of the arrangement altogether with f/v if we could get a fair shake for the other guilds attempting to participate, however, it doesn't appear there ever was a fair offering.

CSG countered the proposed agreement with more FFA(footrace) mobs out of the 25 or so that AM had mandated they were unwilling to compromise on, however, were unsuccessful with any negotiations.


On a positive note, we were successful with our Ring War and are now part of the Ring War rotation. Congrats F/V.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

raid scene fixes have been proposed ad nauseam, there will be zero changes, you are wasting your time and energy

Yup. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Chest, but Qani your comments are terribly naive. As mind boggling as it is to most players, the staff like things the way they are now. Nilbog only cares about replicating classic mechanics down to the finest detail and couldn't care less what the players do. Sirken was a big powergamer back in the day and has no sympathy for people who don't want to put in the time. Rogean is in between. It would take 1 hour of work for the staff to institute a GM rotation: ask all guilds to submit proposals, pick one, and tell CSG to administer it with Sirken backing them up. The fact that they have not done this means they prefer the current system.

Furthermore, you somehow think you can reputation grief A/A off the server. How exactly do you plan to do this? A/A's style is optimized for the mechanics and rules of this server. To beat them, you have to play like them: FTE poopsock, zone pull, FRAPS, rule lawyer, etc. And the people you have who are willing to play like this will simply join A/A rather than fighting an uphill battle.

I don't understand why CSG and CSG 2.0 don't move to another server. Word on the street is that Daybreak will release another progression server this summer. It seems their mechanics get more classic with every one. You can raid your heart out in your instance. If you want a slower pace, why not play on TAKP or Project 2002? You can eventually experience Planes of Power and these servers are not currently massively overcrowded. Or keep banging your head against the Project 1999 poopsocking wall until you bleed.

[saujee]

Ella Ella I have seen good guilds break up and good people fall apart and joining the top guilds due to attitude towards the server like yours.
And this is why I made this thread. To ask if there is another way we can do this other than having to race.
AM and AW are great guilds and they deserve the credit. But it has gotten to the point where they are too good, too strong and have too much influence on the server and people HAVE to join their guild if they want to see any end game pixels and people like you saying other guilds are not entitled to anything.

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that. I should not be pressured into joining AM and AW who have the advantage of winning races with their numbers and better gear to reach my end game goals and leave my good friends behind and only making them stronger.

And if I did join them the end game velious content will be too easy with no sense of progression because they have been farming that stuff for months/years already.

Newer guilds do not stand a chance when racing these guys and therefore blocked.

Should I just stop and join them?

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by saujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ella Ella I have seen good guilds break up and good people fall apart and joining the top guilds due to attitude towards the server like yours.
And this is why I made this thread. To ask if there is another way we can do this other than having to race.
AM and AW are great guilds and they deserve the credit. But it has gotten to the point where they are too good, too strong and have too much influence on the server and people HAVE to join their guild if they want to see any end game pixels and people like you saying other guilds are not entitled to anything.

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that. I should not be pressured into joining AM and AW who have the advantage of winning races with their numbers and better gear to reach my end game goals and leave my good friends behind and only making them stronger.

And if I did join them the end game velious content will be too easy with no sense of progression because they have been farming that stuff for months/years already.

Newer guilds do not stand a chance when racing these guys and therefore blocked.

Should I just stop and join them?

So suggest something. What's your proposed alternative?

[saujee]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So suggest something. What's your proposed alternative?

I do not have an alternative, I made this thread to see if we can brainstorm something up which is why I put @Sirken on it.

He is the man.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by saujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that.

Should I just stop and join them?

You answered your own question.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by saujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ella Ella I have seen good guilds break up and good people fall apart and joining the top guilds due to attitude towards the server like yours.
And this is why I made this thread. To ask if there is another way we can do this other than having to race.
AM and AW are great guilds and they deserve the credit. But it has gotten to the point where they are too good, too strong and have too much influence on the server and people HAVE to join their guild if they want to see any end game pixels and people like you saying other guilds are not entitled to anything.

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that. I should not be pressured into joining AM and AW who have the advantage of winning races with their numbers and better gear to reach my end game goals and leave my good friends behind and only making them stronger.

And if I did join them the end game velious content will be too easy with no sense of progression because they have been farming that stuff for months/years already.

Newer guilds do not stand a chance when racing these guys and therefore blocked.

Should I just stop and join them?

Back to this, whatever the method of competing for mobs is, there is always going to be 1 or 2 guilds like Aftermath and Awakened that figure out how to do it really well really quickly and leave the other guilds, who may be capable of killing them mob too, well behind the play.

Every time the rules have changed this has happened. Only solutions are enforced rotation or a lot more mobs spawning via Earthquake, reduced respawn timers & variance, etc.

These are facts.