Raid Suspending best idea GM's had in a long time

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Kagey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I track and leave that to the pros

Ah got it. So afk for a few hours then reap the rewards? Hope the casuals are taking notes on how to earn their pixels.

Maybe I should put an app in. I afk with the best of em and can loot as fast as any one on the server.

[FatMice]

What kind of casual keeps logs from 2004?

[Kagey]

rotations on Dro consisted of 2 guilds only. new expansions allowed other guilds to enter zones that were no longer populated.

This will not work with 8 guilds.

[FatMice]

Ikon maybe you should have keep reading...

Sony's answer to my emails. Basically they said sorry you were removed from a zone because of an issue with 2 OTHER guilds.

Sure makes perfect sense to me now.


Greetings again,

This was done due the to lack of cooperation and prior issues with this conflict. It was to keep the issues that were occurring at bay and under control. The matter as I have stated was something that I can not go in details on, again I do apologize that you were removed, but no, we normally will not take such measures. This is something that we try to avoid at all costs, but the circumstances at the time called for the actions that were taken.

May the spirits guard your travels,

GM Daleynn
Heather Guthridge
Sony Online Entertainment
hguthridge@soe.sony.com
When responding to this email, please include our previous correspondence. Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:38 PM
To: Guthridge, Heather
Subject: RE: In Game Concerns on Fennin Ro


Okay I understand why it happened but my concern is should it have happened? Does a GM have the right to tell anyone zoning into a zone to leave? Also is this something that my guild can request when we are doing events and scripts in certain zones specifically the elemental zones where zone lag can cause an event to be failed.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Guthridge, Heather [mailto:hguthridge@soe.sony.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 4:54 PM
To: XXXXXXXXXX
Subject: RE: In Game Concerns on Fennin Ro

Greetings,

This is GM Daleynn, I am sorry about the issues you had in Plane of Water the other evening. I do apologize for the matter, but you zoned in during an issue that had turned bad between two other guilds at that time. I can not go into details of the matter as you were not involved in the main issue, but will again apologize that you were caught in the midst of it.

May the spirits guard your travels,

GM Daleynn
Heather Guthridge
Sony Online Entertainment
hguthridge@soe.sony.com
When responding to this email, please include our previous correspondence. Thank you.

[icedwards]

Gonna go back to the way it was before until GMs step in, it's not rocket surgery.

[nyclin]

if you read that thread, posters explain that the Talons of Fire guy was asked to leave because his guild and the other guild had a history of disputes/griefing over the coirnav event

they also talk about rotations:

Rotations between my guild and others typically include the agreement that when one engages, the other(s) evacuate the zone. If it comes to a petition the GM would enforce this anyway. It occurs to me that there was a reason the GM was present. They don't make a habit of popping in on Fennin Ro server just to make nice-nice :/

this quote, to me, indicates that the rotations were player agreements which were given teeth by the GM staff when necessary - pretty much exactly as things occur here.

The only rotation I know of is the one between TMO, Severed, ToF for Time.

indicating that your log does not show a GM enforcing a rotation, but instead a GM taking action to prevent griefing

you are correct in that guides/gms enforced the pnp, but the pnp did not include raid rotations and raid disputes were generally hands-off unless there was exploiting or griefing involved

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you read that thread, posters explain that the Talons of Fire guy was asked to leave because his guild and the other guild had a history of disputes/griefing over the coirnav event

they also talk about rotations:



this quote, to me, indicates that the rotations were player agreements which were given teeth by the GM staff when necessary - pretty much exactly as things occur here.



indicating that your log does not show a GM enforcing a rotation, but instead a GM taking action to prevent griefing

you are correct in that guides/gms enforced the pnp, but the pnp did not include raid rotations and raid disputes were generally hands-off unless there was exploiting or griefing involved

Exactly. Meaning if that same GM was in NTov and a guild was already in there and some other guild zoned in and started training dragons over the top of them to entrance that 2nd guild would have been ported out of NTov. Right?

[nyclin]

oh now you're going to conflate A/A's style of raiding with griefing, i see

[botrainer]

Plus side : Massively long ass windows on raid mobs (I think the repop was intented to help A / A by letting us non A/A players (the other 1200 players on this server) again kill dragons just after having killed them for velious repop timers to close the windows. Me for one, hopes this made windows even larger.

Down side: Just means nearly every A / A member logged in their CSG, FAV, Rustle alt toons and still raided anyways, upside the likely hood of them actually having got the pixels is likely very small but still, a raid ban should punish the player(s) not just the guild tags.

/rant off
/tinfoil-hat off

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by botrainer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Down side: Just means nearly every A / A member logged in their CSG, FAV, Rustle alt toons and still raided anyways, upside the likely hood of them actually having got the pixels is likely very small but still, a raid ban should punish the player(s) not just the guild tags.

they're EVERYWHERE, oh my god

WAKE UP SHEEPLE