Paris attack thread

[sOurDieSel]

ohhhh the glorious benefits of multiculturalism at its finest

3rd World Strong

Parasite On

[Swish]

The sooner the EU is dissolved and European countries can do their own thing, the better.

[iruinedyourday]

Itt a bunch of people who have trouble interacting with the cashier at the grocery store hypothesize how a nation should interact with the whole world.

[Ahldagor]

Didn't sift through all of this because I got tired of everyone berating Lune in the early pages of posts, but Lune's right. How you cowards deal with it is your own personal way.

https://archive.is/VE0jj#selection-459.1-463.388

Apologies if this has already been posted.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Storming and blowing the shit out of their strongholds in northern Iraq is a step that needs to be taken, and eventually will be, by us or someone else. But yeah the ROE does cripple us - but only us. You think Putin will care? Not that I expect him to launch an invasion but someone has to take the ROE and wipe their ass with it to eliminate these fuckers.

Only other thing we can do is not let these fuckers in our countries. France is currently fucked because there's too many of them already and the rest of Europe is in serious danger with these new refugees. One of the suicide bombers was a "Syrian refugee" who passed through Greece. Can't let these fuckers in.

Honestly it's also time to cut the cord with their sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc. At this point, gas prices in the US probably wouldn't go up all that much, and this is something that eventually needs to happen anyway. The sooner we stop pouring money and resources into Islamic theocracies, the better.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Borderline illiterate tries to discuss issues in thread, fails, has a meltdown, resorts to trolling thread.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly it's also time to cut the cord with their sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc. At this point, gas prices in the US probably wouldn't go up all that much, and this is something that eventually needs to happen anyway. The sooner we stop pouring money and resources into Islamic theocracies, the better.

Would probably help if we sent all the politicians in bed with big oil to go live with them

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Borderline illiterate tries to discuss issues in thread, fails, has a meltdown, resorts to trolling thread.

So business as usual?

[iruinedyourday]

Muslim here. A common question i get is WHY do they attack? If you want to know specifically about ISIS, then you should first know a [little history about them,](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/) and if you want to know why some Muslims in the West join such extremist groups, then I've compiled several key factors that can push them to extremes and can help explain their perspective:


1. **Death Of Muslims**: Muslims have been witnessing the continual slaughter of their brothers and sisters by opposing forces in their lands. Instead of such incidents abating with time, every few days a new headline in some newspaper conveys the death of more anonymous Muslim civilians. This can encourage Muslims to sometimes make quick and irrational decisions, often times leading to innocent civilians being killed on the other side. "We can't just sit and watch our brothers and sisters get butchered while we sit comfortably behind our computer screens. We have to do something".

2. **Attacks From The West**: Some Muslims may see the Western world as their primary enemy because of their attacks, invasions, support of oppressive regimes and their killing of thousands of civilians in Muslim lands in the last century. From the invasion of Iraq to the military endeavors in Afghanistan, from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo, from Aafia Siddiqui to Ali al-Timimi, from the 'War on Terror' to the 'Patriot Act', it can become easier to convince an impressionable mind into accepting the West versus Islam paradigm (as if these two entities can be surgically and neatly delineated, separated and defined). It is not hard for some Muslims to feel strong resentment towards the West and this resentment can push some to go to the extreme in retaliation, consequently justifying taking the lives of civilians on the opposing side. "They killed our people, so we should be able to kill theirs" is the type of argument they use. [Here](https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...adicalization/) is one example of a confessed terrorist plotter who wanted to get Canadian troops to withdraw.


3. **With Us Or Against Us**: Among extremist groups, you will see Muslims who have adopted a very simplistic, black/white view of the world. Either you are on their side (side of the Muslims) or on the side of the disbelievers (kuffar). When they come across Muslims who have condemned their group/actions, they will be quick to dismiss their arguments, saying that they are "aiding the kuffar". They see their condemnation as them betraying their Muslim brothers and sisters who are suffering in other countries.


4. **Economic Frustration**: Extreme frustration with the economic situation of many of those involved in such groups, coupled with a lack of hope in alleviating their dismal situation. Years of poverty, oppression, unemployment and greedy political leaders in the Muslim world can push many of the youth to take the matter into their own hands. For those with no hope, fanaticism and over-zealousness gives them some hope. When there is no alternative, extremism becomes normal.

5. **Lack Of Islamic Knowledge**: A common feature among extremist fighters is that they are largely composed of young recruits that are relatively new to Islam or have a very superficial understanding of the faith. A quick read through of the Quran and exposure to the first Muslim group you encounter can easily lead you to think that this group is on the right Islamic path. The more Islamic knowledge you have, the more easier it is to recognize unIslamic groups & movements and to avoid making [poor uneducated choices.](http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...dummies-amazon)

6. **Distrust**: You can find Muslims who support these groups online talking about how we shouldn't trust the mainstream media on the topic of Muslim terrorists, because of the previous lies these mainstream sources have told us. There are Muslims who honestly believe that the extremist group they support are in the right; that they are only defending themselves and not killing civilians unjustly. They will disregard any source that counters these claims despite how strong the evidence is against their group.

7. **Lack Of Unity**: Religious leadership among Muslims is disunited today; every loud voice can potentially become a leader merely by shouting loud enough. Anyone can potentially take on the lead without understanding Islam and the contemporary world or start takfiri preaching further dividing the Muslims into more smaller segments with various levels of authorities to follow. Since there is no official Caliphate, you can find some smaller segments coming up with their own pseudo-Islamic state or their own pseudo-caliph. Lack of unity also makes it harder for Muslims to voice their condemnation against any particular extremist group because they can't have an 'official' opinion on a matter.

8. **Misunderstanding Jihad**: The concept of jihad is a legitimate concept if applied properly in Islam; and it can be a type of terrorism if misunderstood and misapplied. It is like a loaded weapon: it can be used for good and to defend, and it can also be misused for harming others. Many other faiths don't have such a concept. Because Islam does, it can and will be misapplied.

9. **Silence of Muslim preachers on Jihad**: Muslim preachers in the West are restricted from speaking about physical jihad or have classes where Muslims can learn the proper history of battles in Islamic history, the conditions for fighting, and war in the modern world. Because Muslim preachers are often quiet about this subject, young Muslims can be easily duped by extremist recruiters into accepting the alternative view and the permissibility of fighting with modern militant groups. Someone can easily show them some narrations (hadith) of the rewards of jihad while being completely unaware of the major contextual differences in our time and can convince them of the greater good in fighting. When the only voices that address issues of concern are the voices of radical militant jihadis they find on the internet, it is only natural that young and impressionable minds will gravitate to these voices, as explained in [this article](http://muslimmatters.org/2010/10/18/...-muslim-youth/).

10. **The Media**: Terrorist groups are empowered by the media. The more attention they get, the more powerful their threats become and the more new recruits they can potentially secure. Violent groups, no matter how small in number, will always get more attention than peaceful groups. Hundreds of Muslims scholars can condemn terrorism, tens of thousands of Muslims can protest for peace, but the 1 Muslim who blows himself up or beheads a civilian, will be the person who receives more attention in this modern age, and more attention gives him a better chance for more people to join his cause.

11. **The Easy Path**: It might be surprising to non-Muslims, but in many ways, it can actually be more simple and easier for a dedicated Muslim to join one of these groups and fight. It can be much tougher for a passionate Muslim to envision living in a secular land with trials, tribulations and possible persecution for the next 30+ years, all while watching their Muslim brothers and sisters die. And the false idea of blowing yourself up and going straight to paradise sounds very easy. Many passionate Muslims are eager to die for the sake of God, but how many are willing to live for the sake of God?

12. **Scholars Are Ignored**: Muslims who are already supporting extremist groups will completely ignore Muslim Scholars who critique their groups. Calling them " sellouts" or saying that they are "aiding the kuffar" because they're condemning a Muslim group. "You can't criticize those Muslims fighting! At least those Muslims are doing something while you are just living comfortably in your own home". I have personally come across isis sympathizers who completely dismiss Muslim scholars when they are refuted by them. Extremists are emotional and impatient, and they won't bother to take the time to read/listen to the entire message of Muslim scholars who often critique both sides and can explain to extremists about their flawed understanding. [Isis captors cared more about politics than religion when it mattered.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/intl_w...dier-francois/)

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**tl;dr:** The Muslim world today is in a entirely different economic and political context than the Western world. The Muslim world lacks unity, suffers from poverty, oppression, unemployment, greedy political leaders, and Muslims have been witnessing the continual slaughter of other Muslims by opposing forces in their lands for decades. These factors, along with others, can push some to join extremist groups.

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edit: this is NOT my opinion that i came up with. Its from reddit but its a hell of a lot more intelligent than any of you upset nerds will be able to articulate on p99

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: this is NOT my opinion that i came up with. Its from reddit but its a hell of a lot more intelligent than any of you upset nerds will be able to articulate on p99

^

Link to the r/Explainitlikeimfive post this is copy pasted from

If I wanted this issue explained to me like I were five, I'd be on r/eli5. I expect better here. The only reason this was upvoted so hard on reddit was because it fit everyone's preconceived, comfortable expectation for how this issue should be framed. Everyone wants to believe Islam is mostly harmless and that most Muslims don't hold beliefs that are radically incompatible with Western civilization. This is untrue. We don't need this, especially when it ultimately amounts to framing Muslims as victims lashing out against white oppressors and ignores the widespread support for things like Sharia law among Muslims. It operates with the presumption that there is a mainstream body of moderate, reasonable religious scholars who are being ignored. That is simply not the case. This post is shameless PR. Mainstream Islam is Sharia.

Copy pasting rhetoric is embarrassing, especially when it is from Global Issues For Dummies. Formulate your own argument and if you want to give it authority, use data.

[Bazia]

Muslims are slaughtered en masse by other muslims on a much larger and routine scale than any opposing force in recent times, you have never been to the middle east and have no fucking clue what you are talking about

just thought you should know

they use ultra violence to wrestle control from multiple vying tribes or groups in their home regions and once they relocate to other areas they replicate those strategies

[Jahdu]

Native Americans needed a stronger, Donald Trump Wall type policy all those years ago.
Just sayin...