Terror attack in Charleston

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Originally Posted by Hijiri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a combat vet and FAST platoon member let me just say 'no thanks'.

People who think that they can shoot an armed attacker (talking small arms here) without hitting others,nobody or everybody doesn't understand some basic principles of today's currently sold rounds and what is actually envolved in hitting your target at the far end of your effective range.

Edit- ps don't ban me !1!1!!!

I disagree with you. I feel I'm pretty proficient with my guns, a glock .40 and S&W shield 9mm (my concealed), as I shoot quite often. Now I understand shooting at a moving target that may also be shooting back at me is quite different than shooting at a paper target, but I feel I have a better chance at surviving than if I had nothing at all. I live in an area where gun violence is very real, and I feel safer knowing my family and I have some form of protection, even if I'm not the best marksman in the world.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

Predator 2 was a terrible movie

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Thats part of the US's problem, that someone posted up a few notches. Your society is flooded with guns. Theres guns everywhere, legal, illegal. So many guns that you export them massively to the highest bidders even if its (especially to) crackpot "allies" like Saudi Arabia and Israel. Solution? More guns! Thats going to end well. As long as the US economy is an economy based on the death of people theres going to be problems.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using a bunch of people being shot to further gun control, how dare he link such completely unrelated things.

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that dirty rascal!

who does he think he is? trying to get away with eliminating shooting sprees in this great country of ours. you ain't gonna slip that one past me barry you sly fox!

You realize it takes a person to pull the trigger right? Guns don't fire themselves. Even if there were stricter gun control laws the only people this would effect would be law abiding citizens. If someone wants to obtain a firearm to commit a crime, they can get one illegally through a multitude of other ways. They can even obtain a gun legally at gun shows where citizens can buy and sell guns without background checks and what not.

Stop being mindless sheep and do some research before you jump on the gun control band wagon.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize it takes a person to pull the trigger right? Guns don't fire themselves.

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

Dylan Roof was also researching how to make bombs on the internet prior to his shooting rampage.

Lets ban the internet while we're at it. If someone makes a bomb following a guide they found online, it's definitely the Internets fault.

You see the flaw in this logic yet?

Fact is this kid was troubled from his youth, realistically had a bad child hood, shit friends, and during his teenage years he was hanging out with the wrong influential people. People that actually go over the brink and blow other human beings away during a church service travel a long fucked up road prior to their killing sprees. Dylan Roof didn't wake up one day after leading a productive positive life and decide to murder innocent people. This guy dropped out of high school in the ninth grade.

Where were his parents at?

Bottom line is nobody wants to accept responsibility when things like this happen, so they blame guns. Why wasn't his dad kicking his ass when he dropped out in ninth grade high school? What was he going to do down the road, be a janitor his whole life? Collect disability? Be another worthless dreg of society?

This kids parents were shit. They failed their son, then their son murdered innocent people. He could have used a knife if his hatred for African Americans was strong enough. Didn't matter. He was going to do what he went into that church to do whether he had a gun or a golf club.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dylan Roof was also researching how to make bombs on the internet prior to his shooting rampage.

Lets ban the internet while we're at it. If someone makes a bomb following a guide they found online, it's definitely the Internets fault.

You see the flaw in this logic yet?

I think we should push this to its logical conclusion and let everyone pack nuclear weapons. Theyll think twice about shooting you if its rigged to your heartbeat and youll take out 15 city blocks with you if you die.

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Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we should push this to its logical conclusion and let everyone pack nuclear weapons. Theyll think twice about shooting you if its rigged to your heartbeat and youll take out 15 city blocks with you if you die.

You're finally understanding...I was starting to lose hope for you

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bottom line is nobody wants to accept responsibility when things like this happen, so they blame guns.

You seem to think that you are "enlightening" me or something. You really aren't. I have no responsibility to accept and I place partial blame on guns because guns are a part of the equation of gun violence. Placing blame on the person and the weapon are not mutually exclusive.

Without the mentally unbalanced person, there is no mass shooting.
Without the gun, there is no mass shooting.

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to think that you are "enlightening" me or something. You really aren't. I have no responsibility to accept and I place partial blame on guns because guns are a part of the equation of gun violence. Placing blame on the person and the weapon are not mutually exclusive.

Without the mentally unbalanced person, there is no mass shooting.
Without the gun, there is no mass shooting.

only mace attacks

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Some of you guys support "gun control" (aka banning legally owned guns)? So sad.

Must have lived very comfortable lives to believe a fairy tale like that. Illegal guns are super easy to acquire in almost any state if you know the scumbags. I went to Granite Hills High school in California (one of the schools which had a school shooting in the early 2000's) and despite that putting the school on high alert and our state having some of the strictest gun laws in the country, guns could be bought on school premises even by people not intimately involved in any kind of gang activity. And my point here is that; if it is that easy to obtain them on a school, how easy do you think it is to get them somewhere with less restrictions?