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[Axlrose]

Hopefully this server does not follow suit on every classic move Verant / Sony did in those early days. I remember a week plus between patches when _all_ bard songs were broken! I forgot the details, but I think it was bards could not move during ~casting~ of their songs. Even during the heat of combat, swinging a weapon meant the bard moved.

Ahhh the days of getting a patch to fix the patch that was suppose to fix the patch to a broken part of the expansion. Add that Bristlebroken server seemed down more than up during those times, looking back, I must have been a masochist...

[Valtiel]

There are a few things I'd like to say to the bard 'haters' on this thread:

1. I'm sorry you're upset that bards can level faster.
2. Please don't expect people to believe you're doing a ton of exping in OT/FV/SK. On red anyway these aren't really places people go to exp. On blue are these places clamoring with people looking to exp?
3. While you dislike bards (see 1.) as several of us have pointed out not every bard is an ass. I've never turned down someone who wanted in on a group, even if all they can do is sit there. I've grouped with guilds I like, and even invited people have previously tried to kill me/root me while swarming.

What this seems to come down to is, people are angry bards exp quicker. If bards couldn't swarm people would complain about druids/wizards quadding.

One thing I'm sure of is there will always be unhappy people complaining about something.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Valtiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a few things I'd like to say to the bard 'haters' on this thread:

1. I'm sorry you're upset that bards can level faster.
2. Please don't expect people to believe you're doing a ton of exping in OT/FV/SK. On red anyway these aren't really places people go to exp. On blue are these places clamoring with people looking to exp?
3. While you dislike bards (see 1.) as several of us have pointed out not every bard is an ass. I've never turned down someone who wanted in on a group, even if all they can do is sit there. I've grouped with guilds I like, and even invited people have previously tried to kill me/root me while swarming.

What this seems to come down to is, people are angry bards exp quicker. If bards couldn't swarm people would complain about druids/wizards quadding.

One thing I'm sure of is there will always be unhappy people complaining about something.

Thank you for posting this. People have to realize that bard swarming IS in fact classic we can just do it better now because of the upgrade in technology since it's time. I agree with this post entirely.

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for posting this. People have to realize that bard swarming IS in fact classic we can just do it better now because of the upgrade in technology since it's time. I agree with this post entirely.

Bard kiting IS classic, but I do not think the SOE developers meant for them to kite more than 4 mobs at a time. It was dang near impossible back in 99 due to internet limits. As a poster mentioned before, bards trying to kite like 20 or so mobs would crash.

I play a bard myself, and I do not kite more than 4, just out of courtesy. That said, just because technology allows one to kite 20+ mobs now, doesn't mean that is the classic intent of the original vision of EQ back in 1999. So if the P99 devs intended to speed the mobs up due to excessive bard kiting, I applaud that, however, other classes are suffering and a different solution needs to be implemented, such as maybe bards incur no aggro from mobs if they are causing damage/being aggroed by four mobs at once.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard kiting IS classic, but I do not think the SOE developers meant for them to kite more than 4 mobs at a time. It was dang near impossible back in 99 due to internet limits. As a poster mentioned before, bards trying to kite like 20 or so mobs would crash.

I play a bard myself, and I do not kite more than 4, just out of courtesy. That said, just because technology allows one to kite 20+ mobs now, doesn't mean that is the classic intent of the original vision of EQ back in 1999. So if the P99 devs intended to speed the mobs up due to excessive bard kiting, I applaud that, however, other classes are suffering and a different solution needs to be implemented, such as maybe bards incur no aggro from mobs if they are causing damage/being aggroed by four mobs at once.

Yes, they need to make it in a way not affect other classes. But, if the community wants the P99 Developers to enforce something like maximum number of mobs a bard can kite then that needs to be stated in the Play Nice Policy or the server rules instead of people getting mad and posting on the forums about how unfair it is. Its causing too much drama and unnecessary hate towards bards as a class and making them hated just because of their class choice shouldn't be part of our community.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard kiting IS classic, but I do not think the SOE developers meant for them to kite more than 4 mobs at a time. It was dang near impossible back in 99 due to internet limits. As a poster mentioned before, bards trying to kite like 20 or so mobs would crash.

I play a bard myself, and I do not kite more than 4, just out of courtesy. That said, just because technology allows one to kite 20+ mobs now, doesn't mean that is the classic intent of the original vision of EQ back in 1999. So if the P99 devs intended to speed the mobs up due to excessive bard kiting, I applaud that, however, other classes are suffering and a different solution needs to be implemented, such as maybe bards incur no aggro from mobs if they are causing damage/being aggroed by four mobs at once.

Explain why wizard and druid quad kiting abilities are capped at 4 target and bard AoE's are not then. Sony gave two lines of spells to two different classes for the purpose of quad-kiting mobs, meaning they already considered the implications of capping targets on an aoe ability, why would the bard song be coded any differently if it were intended to be used the same way? Why does the bard song tick for like 5 damage and the druid/wiz spells tick for hundreds? Swarming was intended. An SOE dev telling me about swarming before the game released was one of the main selling points that got me to play EQ. Obviously I can't prove a verbal conversation that took place almost two decades ago -- the proof is in the game mechanics, which I have yet to see a legitimate argument against.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said when xping and finding every mob I have been pulling or even trying to pull missing and then seeing them go by in mass it is frustrating. It isn't envy at the bards ability to kill it all. It is annoyance at the bard pulling everything whether someone else is there or not. Then the fact that you have the few with the arrogance enough to rub your face in it.

Bards aren't magically exempt from the server's camp rules, so this is already covered. They must leave everyone in zone's camps alone or face suspension. Why does everyone seem to think it isn't against the server rules for a bard to pull an occupied zone?

Originally Posted by Axlrose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hopefully this server does not follow suit on every classic move Verant / Sony did in those early days. I remember a week plus between patches when _all_ bard songs were broken! I forgot the details, but I think it was bards could not move during ~casting~ of their songs. Even during the heat of combat, swinging a weapon meant the bard moved.

Ahhh the days of getting a patch to fix the patch that was suppose to fix the patch to a broken part of the expansion. Add that Bristlebroken server seemed down more than up during those times, looking back, I must have been a masochist...

I love how I have a bunch of 50+ characters and they're all borderline unplayable, and I can't even farm to start a new class. Shitty timing to get my account with my banked plat suspended [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, swarming was clearly intended to be in the game. There's nothing wrong with just coming out and saying you don't like swarming, but it's silly seeing people in here pretending like they played classic but somehow never heard of a bard on their server swarming??? I have no issues with the dev's saying "hey guys we don't like swarming, we're taking it out of the game" but pretending it isn't classic and wasn't intended to be in the game is inaccurate and you're all arguing this point simply because you don't like it.

Fair compromises? Cap swarming at 30 targets. Or cap swarming at ~10 and increase the damage of bard aoe to be more in line with ~30% of swarm class dot ticks (there will be no balance implications outside of swarming) Or make a server policy change to ban swarming from starting zones.

You know what gets in the way of levelers more than bard swarming? Druid swarm-thorns powerleveling. Or monk FD powerleveling. You know, things people do in dungeons that new players actually level in. There's a much more legitimate case for indoor powerlevelers interfering with levelers than swarm kiters.

[gildor]

It is classic. This hurts much more than bards..cannot get a mob in camp without it on your back beating the shit out of you..your chanter charming? well no chance in hell to get a stun off after charm break..mobs on top of you quicker than a fat kid on an cupcake..

This is stupid. haynar has fixed, but roegan has to push to the patch to the servers.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by gildor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is classic. This hurts much more than bards..cannot get a mob in camp without it on your back beating the shit out of you..your chanter charming? well no chance in hell to get a stun off after charm break..mobs on top of you quicker than a fat kid on an cupcake..

This is stupid. haynar has fixed, but roegan has to push to the patch to the servers.

Thats what i don't understand. Why haven't they rolled the patch out im sure they have most of the bugs stomped by now that the patch made im just curious as to why they havent said anything to an upcoming patch. When, Where, and Why kinda thing

Edit: Not going to pretend like i know what im talking about timing patches im more just curious if there is a special reason why they are waiting.

[Seltius]

I personally love bards. If I ever see one lfg I try and get them invited if we have room. The bards I know are awesome players. I couldn't play one don't have the patience or desire to.

That said when xping and finding every mob I have been pulling or even trying to pull missing and then seeing them go by in mass it is frustrating. It isn't envy at the bards ability to kill it all. It is annoyance at the bard pulling everything whether someone else is there or not. Then the fact that you have the few with the arrogance enough to rub your face in it.

In the end I don't remember ever seeing bards in vanilla-Kunark kiting whole zones or even half of zones. I know the first I remember on wide scale was in I think Legacy of Ykesha I think it was either Port of Gunthrak or Harbor of Dulak that bards started kiting all the mobs.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally love bards. If I ever see one lfg I try and get them invited if we have room. The bards I know are awesome players. I couldn't play one don't have the patience or desire to.

That said when xping and finding every mob I have been pulling or even trying to pull missing and then seeing them go by in mass it is frustrating. It isn't envy at the bards ability to kill it all. It is annoyance at the bard pulling everything whether someone else is there or not. Then the fact that you have the few with the arrogance enough to rub your face in it.

In the end I don't remember ever seeing bards in vanilla-Kunark kiting whole zones or even half of zones. I know the first I remember on wide scale was in I think Legacy of Ykesha I think it was either Port of Gunthrak or Harbor of Dulak that bards started kiting all the mobs.

As a bard currently leveling I have always tried to provide mobs to areas that i know groups are in and when someone sends me a tell asking me if they can be left mobs i usually note the area and leave it be. But, there are definitely times where i have done that and people still complain even though i leave PLENTY of mobs up for a solo act to kill and have more up by the respawn timer. People in general just hate bards because they are bards and they have a way to pull large amounts of mobs and survive. People will complain no matter what.