Play Nice Policy/LNS/RvR needs overhaul before Velious

[SVentura]

I'm an unknown, and starting out with absolute shit prospects in my future, but I'd have to say if you're trying to keep it classic then the LNS/PNP should probably be abolished. I only ever played a little bit on pvp servers with EQ specifically, but some of my most vivid memories were of someone sitting on my corpse. I tried to talk it out with them, but when I couldn't I did something else and ate the shit that was offered to me. That's kind of the name of the game. That's pvp, really. Any other game ever does this; they don't hold your hand. I mean, if your argument is that you're trying to build a server population then I have two questions for you: first, why build a pvp server with nerfed pvp; second, why do you care about growing the server pop so badly? It's not like you're getting subscription fees once a month from everyone -- the only people that choose to play here are the ones who want a "classic" EQ pvp experience (e.g., it should probably be classic).

[Silent]

Regardless of any LNS PNP rules changed or removed, would still need someone to enforce them to get rid of petition and lawyer questing. Making sure people don't eat a 20 day suspension cuz they just logged in, killed someone that died 30 mins ago and called LNS then petitions and enjoy your time off. That would require at the very least the community to come together to talk out the easy stuff.

But any type of raid pvp would need a GM/guide watch over and have to understand what is going on otherwise they will just read the most petitions about X player and suspend, then get the full story a week later when they have the time and if its untrue, they fix it. Most of the people who ate suspensions recently are long time players, and play more then your average P99'er.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Silent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of any LNS PNP rules changed or removed, would still need someone to enforce them to get rid of petition and lawyer questing. Making sure people don't eat a 20 day suspension cuz they just logged in, killed someone that died 30 mins ago and called LNS then petitions and enjoy your time off. That would require at the very least the community to come together to talk out the easy stuff.

But any type of raid pvp would need a GM/guide watch over and have to understand what is going on otherwise they will just read the most petitions about X player and suspend, then get the full story a week later when they have the time and if its untrue, they fix it. Most of the people who ate suspensions recently are long time players, and play more then your average P99'er.

Yo Jupe!

Miss talking to u and ur bro! Where ya guys been hiding?

[Silent]

Been around, various diff teamspeaks on and off. Though ive been sick lately so only been on when needed and mostly doing bitch work. Few more days I should be back to goog health.

[Samsung]

Originally Posted by Silent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Been around, various diff teamspeaks on and off. Though ive been sick lately so only been on when needed and mostly doing bitch work. Few more days I should be back to goog health.

log on ts pal and get well

[heartbrand]

The issue isn't the LNS rules, it's the people petitioning dumb shit to get people banned, and the lack of staff manpower to be online and observe.

[krazyGlue]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue isn't the LNS rules, it's the people petitioning dumb shit to get people banned, and the lack of staff manpower to be online and observe.

Heh I agree , I got suspended for killing Samhain 20 minutes after he called lns and didn't leave the zone . I also provided prof ect.. And derubael hit me with a 2 week suspension

[Buhbuh]

Yeah, there's really no medium where people can provide counter evidence for people's claims.

They need to start handing out the exact punishment used on PnP violators to the people who are fishing for illegitimate bans instead of just taking people's word for it when they're wrong.

That might solve the trigger happy petitionquesting. And you legitimately should eat a suspension for wasting a GM's time. There are people on this server who seem like they have almost a petition a day against other players.

The point is, no one on this server in the level 50-60 range is being aggrieved that badly in game to merit petitions of the volume we're seeing. Almost no one that I've seen in the past three months has crippled the game play of others to even justify a small suspension. LnS violations are very rarely an egregious disregard for the server rules.

Half the suspensions done yesterday were the most insane, idiotic suspensions, but because there's no measure to actually prove your innocence, we just have a suspend and ask questions later culture developing.

And by the time someone is able to get back to you? The suspension is already a week old.

Something in the PnP needs to change, be eliminated or re-tooled to stop wasting everyone's time.

Right now you can spend ten minutes of your day petitioning that someone did something injurious in game to you, and the exchange you get is a week (or more) of the alleged wrongdoer's time. It takes no effort to petition without proof, yet it works like a charm.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, there's really no medium where people can provide counter evidence for people's claims.

They need to start handing out the exact punishment used on PnP violators to the people who are fishing for illegitimate bans instead of just taking people's word for it when they're wrong.

That might solve the trigger happy petitionquesting. And you legitimately should eat a suspension for wasting a GM's time. There are people on this server who seem like they have almost a petition a day against other players.

The point is, no one on this server in the level 50-60 range is being aggrieved that badly in game to merit petitions of the volume we're seeing. Almost no one that I've seen in the past three months has crippled the game play of others to even justify a small suspension. LnS violations are very rarely an egregious disregard for the server rules.

Half the suspensions done yesterday were the most insane, idiotic suspensions, but because there's no measure to actually prove your innocence, we just have a suspend and ask questions later culture developing.

And by the time someone is able to get back to you? The suspension is already a week old.

Something in the PnP needs to change, be eliminated or re-tooled to stop wasting everyone's time.

Right now you can spend ten minutes of your day petitioning that someone did something injurious in game to you, and the exchange you get is a week (or more) of the alleged wrongdoer's time. It takes no effort to petition without proof, yet it works like a charm.

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[Fael]

We also need clear rules.

If we are not allowed to snare players that have mobs chasing them, then it needs to be stated somewhere clearly.

In my opinion, any person that would petition such a thing should get a seven day suspension. Instead, we are answering such petitions and suspending accounts of players that had no intention to violate any rule, or even knew that such a rule was in existence.