i dont always start threads, but when i do

[Doors]

Hi coach. The time I used is just an example.

Still stand by my argument that variance is counter productive to PVP. Variance is all about getting to a computer and mobilizing before the other guild does. It does not encourage PVP whatsoever.

[Steel Warrior]

Originally Posted by Kuberk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that if two or three different guilds capable of killing the mob, mobilize against eachother. Then you have offshoots of small scale pvp that turns into larger scale pvp as more players log in.

The current ecosystem, which hasn't changed in 4 years is that: one guild gets to critical mass, where it simply cannot be killed in pvp even by a far superior pvp skilled guild, and they get all the raid timers, recruiting is super easy because everyone just wants pixels and all they have to do is log in a few hours a week for that sweet DKP, then all those sick bastards log on the forums to ask why theres no competition for guilds with 1/4 the memberbase.

The real pathetic part is that the same people who were being chastized by Nihilum 3 years ago, are now the ones chastizing Azrael for not competiing while they sit with their 100 members on raid day.

There is no raid day. Not all the mobs pop on Sunday. You keep posting as if you know something about the current raid scene and you just don't. Please stop spamming your ignorant views.

[Duckwalk]

If group ports became available at 16 sow you might see a lot more use out of befallen and najena, BB or Kurns

[laowllol]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If group ports became available at 16 sow you might see a lot more use out of befallen and najena, BB or Kurns

not classic.

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If group ports became available at 16 sow you might see a lot more use out of befallen and najena, BB or Kurns

yeah, it's too bad all races in the game start on such a small and overcrowded continent.......


Boy I sure do wonder how all of those other races made it over there in the first place without the ability to get group ports til lvl 30?

Duck, you made decent points until this. Then you said this.... and it was the dumbest shit argument against twinks I have ever heard.

I level in Najena, I level in sol a/b, I level in blackburrow, hell I am going to make a run at runyeye and paw soon I think. Make a group and go do something instead of walking into the PVP hotspots on the server and crying?

Seriously... there are so many great zones to level and you moron newbs can't just enjoy the insane XP bonus but also have to go for CB>UR>MM rout for max ZEM speed grinding... for what? If you don't like fihgitng twinks, what makes oyu think you'll like fihgitng lvl 40+ twinks? People like you will only have more HP to be able to gate with. You are blue. You don't want pvp. You refuse to learnt o fight back or retreat, and in the RED box, those are your options. Those are the rules the 60's play buy, the raiders play by, everyone plays by. If you don't like those rules, go play blue and use their rules.

I don't like twink griefers either, I think they are lame, but, it's a fun challenge... it's like a lvl 20-30 raid dropping a fungi twink, only it's PVP. I cut my teeth on fungi twinks in my rags, never called LnS and kept coming back for more. Now when I PVP regular people it is almost sad because 90% still cry... no one enjoys it because they came here to be BLUE. Don't call me a PK bitch, this is a PVP server. We are all PK's.

THIS IS RED 99. THERE IS NO OPTION TO HAND IN YOUR TOME OF DISCORD. YOU WERE BORN RED. YOU WILL DIE RED. AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, GO BE BLUE.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, it's too bad all races in the game start on such a small and overcrowded continent.......


Boy I sure do wonder how all of those other races made it over there in the first place without the ability to get group ports til lvl 30?

Duck, you made decent points until this. Then you said this.... and it was the dumbest shit argument against twinks I have ever heard.

I level in Najena, I level in sol a/b, I level in blackburrow, hell I am going to make a run at runyeye and paw soon I think. Make a group and go do something instead of walking into the PVP hotspots on the server and crying?

Seriously... there are so many great zones to level and you moron newbs can't just enjoy the insane XP bonus but also have to go for CB>UR>MM rout for max ZEM speed grinding... for what? If you don't like fihgitng twinks, what makes oyu think you'll like fihgitng lvl 40+ twinks? People like you will only have more HP to be able to gate with. You are blue. You don't want pvp. You refuse to learnt o fight back or retreat, and in the RED box, those are your options. Those are the rules the 60's play buy, the raiders play by, everyone plays by. If you don't like those rules, go play blue and use their rules.

I don't like twink griefers either, I think they are lame, but, it's a fun challenge... it's like a lvl 20-30 raid dropping a fungi twink, only it's PVP. I cut my teeth on fungi twinks in my rags, never called LnS and kept coming back for more. Now when I PVP regular people it is almost sad because 90% still cry... no one enjoys it because they came here to be BLUE. Don't call me a PK bitch, this is a PVP server. We are all PK's.

THIS IS RED 99. THERE IS NO OPTION TO HAND IN YOUR TOME OF DISCORD. YOU WERE BORN RED. YOU WILL DIE RED. AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, GO BE BLUE.

My only point about ports was traveling at low levels is much harder than it is at higher levels. It's a lot easier for people to get 1 port and stay in that area than spend lots of time looking/buying ports, especially if they are new and have no money.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm complaining about pvp. Let me set you straight, I'm not. Ive leveled up several characters past 30 in the short time I've been here. I get killed on a daily basis. I try to learn and get better. I bind close and try not to run/zone unless it would be giant inconvenience to get my body back. I like pvp and support it.

That said, I myself have never had any interest in killing players pose no threat. And the notion that *most* classes or even groups in rags can compete with fungi twinks is ridiculous.

Seriously, I would love to see someone do a comparison between hp totals/regen of fungi twinks and the total dps of naked caster just to illustrate how exactly how unbalanced that situation is.

The point being that fungi twink are lame and skin to repeatedly bind killing someone. If your going to do it, at least be honest about instead of trying to defend it as legitimate pvp, which it's clearly not.

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only point about ports was traveling at low levels is much harder than it is at higher levels. It's a lot easier for people to get 1 port and stay in that area than spend lots of time looking/buying ports, especially if they are new and have no money.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm complaining about pvp. Let me set you straight, I'm not. Ive leveled up several characters past 30 in the short time I've been here. I get killed on a daily basis. I try to learn and get better. I bind close and try not to run/zone unless it would be giant inconvenience to get my body back. I like pvp and support it.

That said, I myself have never had any interest in killing players pose no threat. And the notion that *most* classes or even groups in rags can compete with fungi twinks is ridiculous.

Seriously, I would love to see someone do a comparison between hp totals/regen of fungi twinks and the total dps of naked caster just to illustrate how exactly how unbalanced that situation is.

The point being that fungi twink are lame and skin to repeatedly bind killing someone. If your going to do it, at least be honest about instead of trying to defend it as legitimate pvp, which it's clearly not.

You caught me bro I'm a sick fungi twink with ragebringer.... lulz

I could give a shit less if your naked caster can't PVP. You have GATE for a reason. And bind. At very low levels. The game designers knew you couldn't hold ground and needed to be close by.

Melee classes can take on twinks. They have sustainable DPS, and only need a cheap entry level weapon to put in work on twinks. I have stood my gorund on my SK at lvl 25 with Nathsar Greatsword being my best item, in rags elsewise, and put in work against ragebringing fungi twinks who try and joust backstabs like fools instead of just going toe to toe with me. I've taken on multiple fungi twinks, and very rarely do they kill me, they usually get bored and leave because it's a stalemate when they have to run off to regen hp, and come back for more. I don't get killshots on them much since they can just run off and regen, but with a little help it's possible. All killing me does is bring me back with harmtouch loaded anyways. They fear their K/D ratio dropping so anything dropping their HP rapidly or below 40% will send them squeeling to ZL to plug. Just fight back

Back to my point you dodged... if you can't kill them at 20 what makes you think you can kill them at 40? or 50? Without great gear you will always die. They will always have better gear, and be on a better suited class for sniping kills, because they are dedicated to PVP. You admittedly don't want to engage in PVP so why are you here? To spectate PVP? To enjoy the PVP environment (which you obviously aren't)? I love PVP and actively seek PVP and hate twinks because I see no sport in it and prefer being the underdog... you hate twinks because they are the only people who actively kill people in sub 40 game play. You do not engage in PVP. That's the difference between us.

[Akalakamelee]

Eq pvp alot of the time boils down to simply being smart, picking your battles, and having the right gear and/or spells loaded.
With some quick thinking and maybe a little luck, you will do fine. Fighting a fungi twink with a caster is pointless mostly, never use magic based spells since most twinks focus on MR above all over resists. Always remeber, faction is your friend too

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You caught me bro I'm a sick fungi twink with ragebringer.... lulz

I could give a shit less if your naked caster can't PVP. You have GATE for a reason. And bind. At very low levels. The game designers knew you couldn't hold ground and needed to be close by.

Melee classes can take on twinks. They have sustainable DPS, and only need a cheap entry level weapon to put in work on twinks. I have stood my gorund on my SK at lvl 25 with Nathsar Greatsword being my best item, in rags elsewise, and put in work against ragebringing fungi twinks who try and joust backstabs like fools instead of just going toe to toe with me. I've taken on multiple fungi twinks, and very rarely do they kill me, they usually get bored and leave because it's a stalemate when they have to run off to regen hp, and come back for more. I don't get killshots on them much since they can just run off and regen, but with a little help it's possible. All killing me does is bring me back with harmtouch loaded anyways. They fear their K/D ratio dropping so anything dropping their HP rapidly or below 40% will send them squeeling to ZL to plug. Just fight back

Back to my point you dodged... if you can't kill them at 20 what makes you think you can kill them at 40? or 50? Without great gear you will always die. They will always have better gear, and be on a better suited class for sniping kills, because they are dedicated to PVP. You admittedly don't want to engage in PVP so why are you here? To spectate PVP? To enjoy the PVP environment (which you obviously aren't)? I love PVP and actively seek PVP and hate twinks because I see no sport in it and prefer being the underdog... you hate twinks because they are the only people who actively kill people in sub 40 game play. You do not engage in PVP. That's the difference between us.

Lol, way to take everything so personal. Good for you, you play a melee class and have enough experience/skill to compete with fugu twinks. I've never accused anyone of being a fungi twink. That's not what this is about.

If there was a player who spent all his time seeking out bind locations and bind camping players who couldn't fight back for hours on end, people would be like, "that's pretty fucking gay". Similarly, if someone figured a way around the level restrictions and spent all day killing players way lower level than him, people would be like, " that's pretty lame". Players who only roll in full groups and get every kill off 6v1 ganks then brag about it, people are like, "lol, that's retarded".

But without fail, there remains an outspoken minority that defends fungi twinks killing players in rags a legitimate pvp. Not only do they have massive gear and stat advantages but often experience advantages too.

"It's PVP, deal with it Bluebie"

Am I the only one that sees the irony in self proclaimed Red pvp pros seeking out the most defensless and inexperienced players instead of legitimate competion?

This isn't about complaining, getting players banned or changing the rules. It just about addressing the perception that fungi twinks are legitimate pvp.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back to my point you dodged... if you can't kill them at 20 what makes you think you can kill them at 40? or 50? Without great gear you will always die. They will always have better gear, and be on a better suited class for sniping kills, because they are dedicated to PVP. You admittedly don't want to engage in PVP so why are you here? To spectate PVP? To enjoy the PVP environment (which you obviously aren't)? I love PVP and actively seek PVP and hate twinks because I see no sport in it and prefer being the underdog... you hate twinks because they are the only people who actively kill people in sub 40 game play. You do not engage in PVP. That's the difference between us.

And to answer your question, I think there is clearly a difference between sub 20 pvp and afterwards. Despite being in rags a higher level caster will have access to a larger mana pool, mobility other utility tools and at least the potential to out dps standard fungi regen.

In the teens I was lucky to be able to off 5 casts. Each resist representing a loss of 20% of my total potential dps or utility.

Obviously, there is a difference between that situation and one in the 40s where you atleast have a larger tool box to work with and potential of doing some damage.

One situation, your effectively worthless in, the other you can atleast attempt to put up a fight.

You insist on claiming I don't like pvp when in reality its not being able to even be a factor that I dislike. At 49, I can atleast cast more than 5ish spells, I can root, shadowstep, have a wider range of dots to cast and access to jboots or other clickes.

But yes, continue to defend pvp where one party essetially fight back.