Naming Policy

[Bagzan]

"Reasonable" is subjective and it's been stated multiple times that the name is fine by people that actually have the power to make that claim so clearly it doesn't violate it. Do you realize, and this isn't a flame about you, just a statement of fact, that you try and pass off your (often biased or flat out wrong [in the case of the shaman questions thread where you said only Ogre shaman can solo things like Lodizal]) opinions as fact or do you honestly believe that everything you say is the unfiltered truth?

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Bagzan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Reasonable" is subjective and it's been stated multiple times that the name is fine by people that actually have the power to make that claim so clearly it doesn't violate it. Do you realize, and this isn't a flame about you, just a statement of fact, that you try and pass off your (often biased or flat out wrong [in the case of the shaman questions thread where you said only Ogre shaman can solo things like Lodizal]) opinions as fact or do you honestly believe that everything you say is the unfiltered truth?

Yes, I actually do realize it. It's called confidence. It is not my job to remind you that I am capable of error. I gave my opinion about shaman races and it was sincere. If you find fault with my strong wording, then you find fault with it.

I actually think you're pretty bright, Bagzan. I don't think you'll be in IB six months from now after you figure out all the unending bullshit in that guild. I didn't start out despising that pile of shit. I was dedicated and loyal. I suspect you will travel a similar path.

[yaaaflow]

Also it's sad how me and alawen always used to get along really well [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You tell a dude that he's acting like Hasbinbad and suddenly he hates you for life [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also it's sad how me and alawen always used to get along really well [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You tell a dude that he's acting like Hasbinbad and suddenly he hates you for life [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder if it has occurred to you that I am not Hasbinbad, that I don't have his radical mood swings and authority issues and that I didn't raise hell within the guild for its own sake. Everything I did or said within that guild was marginalized until I ceased to give a fuck.

Log in some time and do /who all inglo. I guarantee that you will recognize less than one third of the names. Do you think that's because everyone who has left are uncontrollable assholes? Or do you suppose it's because the management treats the membership like entry level McDonald's employees and churns through new members at a similar rate?

You chose to alienate me. I've never had a particular beef with you.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder if it has occurred to you that I am not Hasbinbad

Wait, you're not Hasbinbad?

[Bagzan]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Log in some time and do /who all inglo. I guarantee that you will recognize less than one third of the names. Do you think that's because everyone who has left are uncontrollable assholes? Or do you suppose it's because the management treats the membership like entry level McDonald's employees and churns through new members at a similar rate?

This is totally an accurate way to judge, because you know, every other guild has had a totally static membership base. You could say the exact same thing about every single other guild on the server, and frankly, on live too.

You're grasping at straws that aren't even there, Alawen. Stop digging for your own sake.

[yaaaflow]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder if it has occurred to you that I am not Hasbinbad, that I don't have his radical mood swings and authority issues and that I didn't raise hell within the guild for its own sake. Everything I did or said within that guild was marginalized until I ceased to give a fuck.

Log in some time and do /who all inglo. I guarantee that you will recognize less than one third of the names. Do you think that's because everyone who has left are uncontrollable assholes? Or do you suppose it's because the management treats the membership like entry level McDonald's employees and churns through new members at a similar rate?

I actually think it's mostly because classic EQ just doesn't have that much content. I have kept in touch with a few IB dudes who stopped playing around the same time as me, and we are all a) excited to come play again for kunark and b) happy that we will still be valuable, well geared members of IB once we do start playing again.

Classic EQ just doesn't have all that much to offer after a while imo. I've got a few level 50 characters, had undoubtedly the best geared mage on the server until I returned my dragon loot to the guild, killed every single pre-sky raid mob with 3 groups or less. I've got manastones, full sets of rubi, thex daggers, you name it. I "beat" classic EQ a long time ago, and once I beat a game I lose some of my interest in it, like most people do.

Once kunark comes out I fully expect IB to continue to be the dominant raiding force on the server. Can you really blame the people who already beat the game for stopping playing it and waiting for new content?

Also once Hasbinbad and Reiker were both removed from IB I never felt anything remotely like "Or do you suppose it's because the management treats the membership like entry level McDonald's employees" but I don't tend to take shit from video games too seriously so maybe I just wasn't seeing it.

[zianlo1]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually think it's mostly because classic EQ just doesn't have that much content. I have kept in touch with a few IB dudes who stopped playing around the same time as me, and we are all a) excited to come play again for kunark and b) happy that we will still be valuable, well geared members of IB once we do start playing again.

Classic EQ just doesn't have all that much to offer after a while imo. I've got a few level 50 characters, had undoubtedly the best geared mage on the server until I returned my dragon loot to the guild, killed every single pre-sky raid mob with 3 groups or less. I've got manastones, full sets of rubi, thex daggers, you name it. I "beat" classic EQ a long time ago, and once I beat a game I lose some of my interest in it, like most people do.

Once kunark comes out I fully expect IB to continue to be the dominant raiding force on the server. Can you really blame the people who already beat the game for stopping playing it and waiting for new content?

Also once Hasbinbad and Reiker were both removed from IB I never felt anything remotely like "Or do you suppose it's because the management treats the membership like entry level McDonald's employees" but I don't tend to take shit from video games too seriously so maybe I just wasn't seeing it.

Can I have one or two of your manastones and maybe a full set of armor for a rogue? Toss me a pm here, thanks! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bagzan]

It's one thing to have strong wording, it's another when your wording goes from opinion to a statement of fact when your "fact" isn't really a fact and merely an incorrect opinion.

Believe it or not, but at the end of the day I really don't give a shit one way or another but the fact of the matter is you came out and called out individuals and an organization for something that is within the rules, reasonable based on the people in charge opinions, and overall completely pointless and irrelevant. Then you started off on random tangents that didn't address points and calling people names like you were getting into a fight on the playground in kindergarten; you're a mid 40's year old man who obviously wants to come across as intelligent (based on what and how you type), stop acting like a petulant 7 year old that didn't get his way and now has decided to throw a fit because of it.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Yes, it's just a coincidence that I used the words "favoritism" and "inequality" in my first post. You've got me all figured out. My real point was... wait, what was it?

I went off on random tangents because there's nothing here to discuss with any of you. The people from IB love to play rules lawyer even though they lose that game to DA almost every time and, of course, they're all thinking OH MY GOD YOU CAN'T CHANGE OUR NAME WE ARE IB!!! The powers that be made it clear that the answer to my concern is "we'll do whatever we please" and I'm quite alright with that. The rule of man works fine until you piss off all the neighborhood kids and you're sitting in your sandbox alone.

Starklen wanted to get personal, so we got personal. He seemed to get upset! None of my early posts were directed at any individual or I would have named the individual(s). Then the post was moved to R&F and got ridiculous, so I got ridiculous back.

I hope at least some people reading this have the perspective to realize how funny it was; I laughed out loud at both some of the things I said and at some of the things you said after the thread was moved.

I wonder if you, Bagzan, can see the irony in your personal attacks on me. I don't communicate the way I do in order to impress you; I communicate this way because this is the way I communicate.

TL;DR Yes, the second half of this thread has been an exercise in immaturity. I'm over myself, are you?