DA KSes offically now?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually Miley...

Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player.

So, when a mob no longer has aggro on anyone following a quick death touch...it is not engaged. That is where he went with it.

So the rule should be changed perhaps. A mob having aggro on someone does not necessarily mean they are actively engaging said mob.

Yeah, precisely. I think that's what Glitter meant to say. And all I was trying to point out, too. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Noleafclover]

I'm really sick of leapfrogging threads since the FTE rule. I've got 3 questions I'd like you to consider. As it's fair to consider this an attack on transcendence's view here that they were leapfrogged, first I'm going to give you some background on my feelings on the decision, and on DA.

I'll also briefly state that yes - I feel I've met more than the average amount of assholes from trans - and yes, I don't like Supreme from his posts here.

But my question is more about the "leapfrogging" issue that's cropped up since FTE rules. If this is TLDR, skip to 3) where I state what I believe to be indisputable facts, and ask my 3 questions.

Two small points first.

1) Decision

I believe Rogean made the right call here. It's first to engage, straight up, by the rules. And straight up, Inny disengaged after DTing according to the logs.

I think subjectively Inny should have belonged to DA, but it's better to stick to the rules to (theoretically) minimize crying. It should even out in the long run, and people can plan around it with DTing mobs.

2) DA

I'm not a fan of DA's leadership's past and present decisions. Duping items and crashing zones was a dick move - and OK, they took their lumps for that - but DA is the leading cause of poopsocking, as agreed by everyone else; and has camped mobs AT spawn points under the current iteration of the rules. Which is just ridiculous.

3) Leapfrogging: Some facts

-The new rules encourage leapfrogging by being first to engage mobs, with no mention of trash or position giving a raid credit.

-There has been what could be - and has been, on the forums - called leapfrogging since the rule change on EVERY cazic spawn, and plenty in plane of sky with the 8 hour spawn timer.

-Every single top guild has been accused of it.

-Many players enjoy it, and feel that it's competitive. Many guilds admit to it. There are calls for FFA, or for moving more in that direction.

So, with those facts in mind

Is every player who enjoys the competition of leapfrogging a douche?

If so, then leapfrogging must be inherently evil. If it's inherently evil, what's stopping you from making agreements with several or every other guild on the server to not leapfrog each other? Shouldn't they automatically agree, assuming they were not also inherently evil?

Wouldn't this solve your problem?

[Supreme Retard]

Originally Posted by Noleafclover [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If so, then leapfrogging must be inherently evil.

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[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forgive the lack of a front end, its still being coded.

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My FTE system is better

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[Abacab niggah]

Basically on my screen you got to avoid the trains and rule trucks, and hop across those slow turtles and onto the logs so that you're registered in my system that you were the first to get the hi-score

[MiRo2]

Page 13 and no one has even thought of mentioning this yet?

Theres a block of text missing from Rogean's shout. I can't remember if it came before or after the block shown at the beginning of this thread, I wish I had SS'd it. Why did Rogean fall back on the FTE rules? Neither guild could provide evidence that they had 15 Characters on the spawn point prior to Innorruuk spawning as the current raid rules state. People may not like the decision, but when the judging party shows up, and party A is claiming one thing, and party B is claiming another, but neither have proof, what is he supposed to do? I think defaulting to an extremely technical FTE ruling was probably the fairest way to rule in this situation.

[Glitterati]

Screenshots were provided to Rogean per his request. Ours showed when Trans entered the zone with a force large enough to take the boss, where we were camping and timestamped. There is no block of text missing from that screenshot posted in this thread, that's all that Rogean said.

[Rogean]

Both guilds claimed they were on spawn point first. Thats what happens when confusion sets in when another guild starts leapfrogging, both guilds start running for the spawn point to get there first. I bet in reality they were both at the spawn point within seconds of eachother. Who was first? We don't know. The fact is Transcendence was also there much longer actually waiting for the spawn around the corner.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by oldhead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You shouldnt be showing people what you use on the back end bro.
Not with the amount of tencho nerd rage this server gets.

Just saying.

EQEmu is open source. Not hard to figure out it runs on MySQL. >_>

[Erasong]

sounds like the poopsock is makin a comeback.