Class XP Penalties

[Doors]

No class exp penalties on red.

[fiveeauxfour]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't said what the emu devs should do about it, just pointing out the facts. But clearly it's broken.

I really do like what you said here in this last statement because I think it is exactly what the "opposing side" of the debate is critical of. You say that there were hoards of hybrids on live. True. Then you say its poor game design, but this is a subjective matter.

Regardless of this, the point is that whether or not it's a poor game design, there were hoards of hybrids on live, or even if everyone on live understood about min/maxing but just decided to play what they want, your entire argument results in a single conclusion. You say that you aren't saying what the P99 people should do to remedy the situation, then state that it's broken. Something broken usually demands repair from diligent owners, and your repair is implicit throughout what youre trying to say. Remove the penalty.

This server is not classic eq. It never will be classic eq. We need to all stop living like (excuse the douche literary reference) Emma Bovary-- meaning that the ideal of a classic experience is possible if I can just clench my anus as hard as I did 15 years ago when I enter Fear. Accept the game how it is, adapt, roll with the punches, meet new people, have a good time, and perhaps stir some fond memories from times past.

My opinion on the matter is that I'm playing this game free of charge. I'm not sure if the P99 staff is paying for this monetarily (perhaps they get donations), but they are certainly paying for this server in some fashion. Play the game until its no longer fun, then move on, and perhaps along the way we can stop being douches to each other.

Blah blah blah, lets all bicker some more [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by fiveeauxfour [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really do like what you said here in this last statement because I think it is exactly what the "opposing side" of the debate is critical of. You say that there were hoards of hybrids on live. True. Then you say its poor game design, but this is a subjective matter.

Regardless of this, the point is that whether or not it's a poor game design, there were hoards of hybrids on live, or even if everyone on live understood about min/maxing but just decided to play what they want, your entire argument results in a single conclusion. You say that you aren't saying what the P99 people should do to remedy the situation, then state that it's broken. Something broken usually demands repair from diligent owners, and your repair is implicit throughout what youre trying to say. Remove the penalty.

This server is not classic eq. It never will be classic eq. We need to all stop living like (excuse the douche literary reference) Emma Bovary-- meaning that the ideal of a classic experience is possible if I can just clench my anus as hard as I did 15 years ago when I enter Fear. Accept the game how it is, adapt, roll with the punches, meet new people, have a good time, and perhaps stir some fond memories from times past.

My opinion on the matter is that I'm playing this game free of charge. I'm not sure if the P99 staff is paying for this monetarily (perhaps they get donations), but they are certainly paying for this server in some fashion. Play the game until its no longer fun, then move on, and perhaps along the way we can stop being douches to each other.

Blah blah blah, lets all bicker some more [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does that confuse you? One can look at a development issue objectively, analyze and compartmentalize the results of the findings. Weather they fix it or not, well isn't my point, but just that it exists. Even in the very basic role of game development, such reports are submitted by alpha and beta testers, not including how things should be fixed, but just recognizing that a problem exists in the system or in the general design even.

The difference here is we have a sample to compare to, that being the live servers. Many here, even though "15 years ago" and many years thereafter, did their time on the live servers and well enough remember how things operated within the system and the design elements in place, as well as how it all interacted effecting the whole.

The bottom line of all that is that the statistics shows that there is a major flaw effecting the results of this server in comparison to not only the original live servers, but clearly a flaw for any game project which implements multiple class structures into the design of the game. For if a game developer works tirelessly to add classes to a game, shouldn't they be played? Clearly yes, or it simply becomes a waste of development time to implement and yet benefits nobody, even hurting player populations in the game.

I simply point out the flaw, one that if corrected somehow may benefit not only the developers but as well for the game community and the population health of the server. May be "blah blah blah" to you, but I consider it a serious matter, whether I play the game or not, play a hybrid or not. One can learn from example, be it a good example or a bad example. Not only if a flaw is located, but how one handles it as well, and the repercussions of such corrections or neglections.

[fiveeauxfour]

I'm far from confused.

[fadetree]

Well, its all moot in terms of what could possibly done here. The only route for change is the removal of the penalties, as happened on live. The question becomes when. The absolute insistence that it has to happen in terms of sequence as it did on live, ie., Velious and then some, I think ignores the fact that the timeline is all screwed up in other ways, namely duration.
I can see an extremely slight possibility that they may decide to remove the penalties sooner, but I don't feel very hopeful. I really do think that the penalties are doing way more harm than good at this point. In terms of duration, we are WAY past where they came to the same realization on live.

[Xadion]

Every hybrid can bring a lot to the group if they are actively at the keyboard- most only classes if someone is kind of ehhhh there will only result in a 10-20% net decline in usefulness - but an ehhh hybrid is like almost worthless- but an active hybrid is insanely helpful to a group.

Bard, Ranger, SK, Pal, Shaman, something group - all active and attentive can outpace almost any other group.

Do be warned, I am a ehhhh hybrid 90% of the time :-P -- that is why I soloed to 60 :-)

[Duncon]

Sooo… now that everyone agrees the xp penalties should be removed we can discuss the mechanics. I have this faded distant memory of all the hybrids getting a level or two when the penalty was removed as they kept their current XP but their XP table was changed. Is this how it worked? Is this how it should work?

Personally I would rather have my level remain unchanged when the penalty is removed.

[Glenzig]

Hybrid penalty should be applied to all classes until day one release of Velious, then all class penalties should be removed. Good way to motivate everyone to beta test Velious.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every hybrid can bring a lot to the group if they are actively at the keyboard-

Sure, I don't think anyone is arguing that. I and others are just saying that the penalty amount is way off in regard to what it was supposed to counterbalance. And, also that since it happened on live already from a duration standpoint, there is an argument to be made that it should be changed before velious releases.

[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by Dakidd4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raise your hand if you would legitimately be upset if P99 devs decided to lift the class XP penalties prior to Velious.

Nobody? Thought so

Make it so

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