Casinos - Page 13

Olscratch · #1 08-20-2014, 02:40 PM

So is "any other form of gambling" only limited to gambling shops/people calling themselves casinos or does that apply to every player on the server?

**Rogean** · #2 08-20-2014, 02:40 PM

Have you ever played a card game with friends for money? Made Bets etc? If so, that's illegal. You're not going to have the police knocking down your door for it though.

zforrestal · #3 08-20-2014, 02:49 PM

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Have you ever played a card game with friends for money? Made Bets etc? If so, that's illegal. You're not going to have the police knocking down your door for it though.

Actually it's not illegal to gamble.. it's a misconception... there's 2 parts to this depending on where you are but, First it's illegal if someone is making a profit from hosting said game.. for example every pot the host takes out X amount of dollars to go towards "the house" which is what casinos do at a poker table and why they need a license to run a casino.. the second part is depending on which state.. if you win a over a certain amount from gambling.. in Connecticut it was anything $600 over a year I think, you had to claim the winnings on your taxes. So house games aren't illegal unless the host takes a percentage for personal gain and as long as no one is winning more than $600 and not claiming it. That's for Connecticut, or was when I was dealing at Foxwoods 6 years ago.

Orruar · #4 08-20-2014, 02:50 PM

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Have you ever played a card game with friends for money? Made Bets etc? If so, that's illegal. You're not going to have the police knocking down your door for it though.

Ok, so that makes me think even playing some dice with a friend in between PH is banned. So let's go the other direction now. How about selling loot rights to multiple people where each person has a chance (i.e. Black sapphire dropped and 4 people need? All pay 1k and /random to see who wins)? If that's allowed, does the roll need to take place immediately, or can you take the item to EC and do it there?

**Rogean** · #5 08-20-2014, 02:53 PM

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Ok, so that makes me think even playing some dice with a friend in between PH is banned. So let's go the other direction now. How about selling loot rights to multiple people where each person has a chance (i.e. Black sapphire dropped and 4 people need? All pay 1k and /random to see who wins)? If that's allowed, does the roll need to take place immediately, or can you take the item to EC and do it there?

Thats gambling... You're paying for a chance and not a definitive.

Orruar · #6 08-20-2014, 03:16 PM

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Thats gambling... You're paying for a chance and not a definitive.

What about the Chardok ae group? Currently people are paying 2k per pull to get into the group. In addition for the xp they gain, they get a chance at loots that drop.

**Rogean** · #7 08-20-2014, 03:18 PM

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What about the Chardok ae group? Currently people are paying 2k per pull to get into the group. In addition for the xp they gain, they get a chance at loots that drop.

They're paying for a definitive spot in the group for XP. The chance at loot drops is a bonus.

Orruar · #8 08-20-2014, 03:22 PM

What about a situation like this: Fungi drops and the group of three all would like it, but they don't want to lose 100% if they lose the roll. So they agree that the winner gets the fungi, while the losers each get 20k from the winner. They are in essence each paying 40k with the winner getting fungi (pays 40k, receives fungi) while the two losers get 60k back (net +20k). Or looking at it another way, the other option this group has is to sell and split the funds. Let's say they could get 75k for the fungi, or 25k each. Essentially they're each paying 5k for a fungi roll.

This isn't some crazy scenario that will never happen. I've often split loot like this where everyone wants the item, only one person can have it, and everyone agrees losers should get some money from it.

ripwind · #9 08-20-2014, 02:54 PM

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Ok, so that makes me think even playing some dice with a friend in between PH is banned. So let's go the other direction now. How about selling loot rights to multiple people where each person has a chance (i.e. Black sapphire dropped and 4 people need? All pay 1k and /random to see who wins)? If that's allowed, does the roll need to take place immediately, or can you take the item to EC and do it there?

Come on.

Derubael · #10 08-20-2014, 04:36 PM

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Have you ever played a card game with friends for money? Made Bets etc? If so, that's illegal. You're not going to have the police knocking down your door for it though.

This is a great analogy, and more or less what I had stated earlier, just phrased in a way that's less vague.

I personally will be looking for specific things in regards to violations of this rule. The reason I'm not releasing this criteria is so that shady people can't circumvent it. Don't run a casino, dont advertise gambling, and don't be a central source for an inordinate amount of bets for in game platinum/items, and you will be fine.

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You're right, but people "petitioned" against casinos so we'd voicing our opinions JUST LIKE EVERYONE else on the topic at hand. I'm sorry I didn't know we had to just shut up about the issue and not voice our opinions.. I've tried to be as polite as possible and yet all I see is a bunch of bigotry when it comes to people stating they don't like the idea of the ban.

This honestly has far less to do with the casino ban than you think it does. The bottom line is if we didn't think it was serious, we wouldn't be enforcing a ban. I can tell you that it's enough of a problem that it had to be dealt with.

Also, as a side note:

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"to play a game in which you can win or lose money or possessions.." (Looked up on Merriam more definitions if you so please) so no gambling actually goes down within EQ unless you give an actual value to Plat or items (which in this case are just pixels with no tangible existence).

There are some people who have paid hundreds of dollars for their characters and pixels who would beg to differ that platinum doesn't have real world value.