HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Bardalicious]

I take solace in the fact that there are people reasonable enough to see how unreasonable this situation is. If nothing else comes of this thread, let it serve as a warning to others that the GM's have no real intention of working to help you if something goes wrong.

Oh, and also that Pan probably shouldn't be a leader of any guild that hopes to present itself as respectable.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take solace in the fact that there are people reasonable enough to see how unreasonable this situation is. If nothing else comes of this thread, let it serve as a warning to others that the GM's have no real intention of working to help you if something goes wrong.

I've had GMs help me more than a few times. I don't think I'm unique in that respect. So, while I get your frustration, its just not true that "GM's have no intention of working to help you if something goes wrong."---all your situation proves is that they have no intention of helping you in this situation for specific reasons. Extrapolating past that is not valid.

You might be right about being the rightful owners of these disputed accounts.

There really isn't enough information provided on the agreement(s) made during the sales that took place. Without knowing the exact terms of each deal (of which there are several chained together to bring the story to this point) or what the guidelines are for enforcement then there is really no way of sorting it out correctly each and every single time. The problem with resolving cases like this (not just yours) is that the type of evidence needed to deprive someone of account ownership has to be EXTREMELY high for the GMs to intervene; often this type of evidence simply can't/doesn't exist. But the precedent of erring on the side of caution before forcing ownership of accounts to change hands makes prudent sense to me.

I've been on this server from the beginning. Transferring accounts has been, at best, a very risky and not officially supported marketplace by the staff. Situations like these are certainly part of the reason why the prudent decision of the staff was to make account sales for virtual goods against the rules.

There is an interesting question about the SMS changes creating what were probably unintended issues for past-sold accounts that would have previously been insulated at the time of the sale now being unprotected.

The only lesson here for other players is really not to give out account information, ever.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only lesson here for other players is really not to give out account information, ever.

^^ Seriously.

Even before account trading was banned the staff made it clear that it was unsupported and at your own risk. Whatever anybody's opinion on how Cloki has handled this (I am not a fan, it seems rules lawyery and therefore sleazy to me), OP fucked up and his whining about the consequences of his own bad choices get no sympathy from me.

[Bardalicious]

That's just my issue with this: there's compounding evidence in my favor that I owned both of those accounts ever since their creation. 98% of the IP logs associated with them come from the state I currently, and have lived in, for a very long time (again.. aside from 6 months in which I lived out of state). A very menial amount of effort would need to be put in to geolocate the IPs. Or, hell, just match the ones that accessed my accounts with the ones that have logged into my forum accounts (since, ya know, my forum account names are the character names in question anyways).

I'd say that Deru admitting to assisting me with an issue with this same cleric account in the past combined with Pan admitting that he SMS password recovered both of those accounts to gain access makes it pretty darn clear whom they belonged to.

But, that's not even the issue here. What it comes down to is a rather absurd history of inequity when it comes to GM rulings and player assistance. Despite the fact that Rogean himself stated that "the original owner of an eqemu account will always be considered the owner of said account" when he banned account sales, the GM's here have chosen to blatantly ignore that fact as it pertains to this situation. Hell, I not once even asked for eqemu access to the account I sold as I'm morally above taking what doesn't belong to me. I only asked for a little helping hand to secure my two login server accounts as I saw what was coming as a result of the absurd change to account management.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's just my issue with this: there's compounding evidence in my favor that I owned both of those accounts ever since their creation. 98% of the IP logs associated with them come from the state I currently, and have lived in, for a very long time (again.. aside from 6 months in which I lived out of state). A very menial amount of effort would need to be put in to geolocate the IPs. Or, hell, just match the ones that accessed my accounts with the ones that have logged into my forum accounts (since, ya know, my forum account names are the character names in question anyways).

I'd say that Deru admitting to assisting me with an issue with this same cleric account in the past combined with Pan admitting that he SMS password recovered both of those accounts to gain access makes it pretty darn clear whom they belonged to.

But, that's not even the issue here. What it comes down to is a rather absurd history of inequity when it comes to GM rulings and player assistance. Despite the fact that Rogean himself stated that "the original owner of an eqemu account will always be considered the owner of said account" when he banned account sales, the GM's here have chosen to blatantly ignore that fact as it pertains to this situation. Hell, I not once even asked for eqemu access to the account I sold as I'm morally above taking what doesn't belong to me. I only asked for a little helping hand to secure my two login server accounts as I saw what was coming as a result of the absurd change to account management.

You just don't get it. You sold your eqemu account and everything attached to it. The staff has said since day one giving out your info or selling your account was all on you. There is no obligation for the staff to even help you. So stop trying to blame the staff for your mistake. You made your choice to sell accounts, live with the fact it was your choice.
Asking the staff to right your wrong will open a Pandora box of people crying about accounts they sold, gave away etc. If they help you for being a retard, they must help others just the same.

This guy threw you a bone about working it out even after the moment you sold your account you gave up all rights to it. Stop copy pasting messages from when the server opened saying original owner of the account will be considered the owner. Shit has changed so much over the years that you can pull over 100 different posts from all staff that contradict everything due to all the changes.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take solace in the fact that there are people reasonable enough to see how unreasonable this situation is. If nothing else comes of this thread, let it serve as a warning to others that the GM's have no real intention of working to help you if something goes wrong.

Oh, and also that Pan probably shouldn't be a leader of any guild that hopes to present itself as respectable.

You knew full well when you sold the account that any resultant inconvenience to yourself was not going to be resolved by a GM. Account trades and sales were always at the seller/buyers risk. You're only a victim of your own poor decisions. Sure Cloki could give you the account back if he wanted, but he doesn't want to. That was part of the risk you took when you sold the master account. That's why GMs won't get involved in these disputes, its too much work just to undo someone's mistake that they were already warned not to make. Quit trying to vilify the staff for your poor judgment.

[Erati]

heres an on top / off topic question

with this discussion I went to look at my account info and such to check PWs but could not find a single place to change my EQemulator PW or even email

Did that feature just get completely removed ?

My emulator is linked to my SMS etc but I am just curious if I cant ever change my emulator log in info again

[Rais]

Pretty sure everything was moved over. You can recover your eqemu password from that site still. Just enter the wrong info, and it will direct you to recover account info.

[Rentlez]

you sold your eqemu account. therefore everything on that account is no longer yours, you fucked up, deal with it

[Poetic]

Me to Drowed (31 july, 01:43 PM)

Yes, when I bought the account more than a year ago, the eqemulator credentials were included. I wouldn't buy an account that didn't have the credentials attached. I changed the eqemulator email and credentials the day I bought the account. It is now attached to my SMS info, too.
What's at issue here?

Okay so here is my issue. I feel like you are pretending to be extremely naive on how EMU Emulator works and about account sales in general. It is obvious that you know you purchased the necromancer account. When you changed to the SMS, and found you had access to the other accounts; you had to KNOW that those weren't included with the Sale. This is extremely shady. You knew what you were doing.

As for giving over the EMU and keeping login accounts attached. Several people did this when account trading was legal, because the accounts were still protected by password and without the actually login password to the account itself, there would be no issues, Until the Login server change.

That said, I do think Pan is trying to make this right, whether it's just to save his rep or not. Take him up on the PL cleric. They aren't going to move the cleric to a different EMU/account for you. You aren't handling this situation that great either by pissing off Gms and Pan, but I see why you are upset. Take the PL and let this die.