Saraya - level 53 unguilded enchanter - Ninja Looter

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Meiva [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a hit to the community. Saraya had been forming strong groups since she began playing this enchanter. You have likely seen her group schedules on the forums, and maybe have grouped with her yourself. This is a great player that, as far as I know, has not made such a mistake in the past. Instead she has helped others, while only relatively recently been seeking help for her epic quest.

A mistake was made, and it is one that can be corrected. It is unfortunate that she did not communicate better with those in the zone, as I know her to always communicate when our groups were to encroach upon another as to assure we do not disturb them. I do believe Saraya was in the wrong, but I also hope that any ban will be temporary. Many of us enjoy our time in the groups that she invests so much energy in to forming for us.

If you re-roll Saraya, you now damn well I'll help you get rolling again. It seems unjust to lose your enchanter over this.

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

^ This.

It sounds like impulse got the better of Saraya. Xp group aside, no idea why the corpse wasn't locked down until BDA chanter showed up, especially with other player(s) in zone. Lesson learned on both sides at least.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ This.

It sounds like impulse got the better of Saraya. Xp group aside, no idea why the corpse wasn't locked down until BDA chanter showed up, especially with other player(s) in zone. Lesson learned on both sides at least.

The BDA chanter was there the entire time, she wasn't in the xp group. She was waiting for the corpse to unlock, the second it unlocked saraya swooped in and ninja looted the item. Why is this so hard to understand?

and why shouldn't a ninja looter be named and shamed?? under what wacky scenario can ninja looting be justified. We had no communication with saraya, she never sent a tell to anyone, she never spoke in /say, she just ninja'd the item the second the corpse opened. There is no excuse.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The BDA chanter was there the entire time, she wasn't in the xp group. She was waiting for the corpse to unlock, the second it unlocked saraya swooped in and ninja looted the item. Why is this so hard to understand?

Because either the timer went past the mark because of carelessness where anyone walking by could've looted or someone in the xp group right-clicked the corpse and waited, to time it so guildy could loot. I might've misread somewhere.

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ This.

It sounds like impulse got the better of Saraya. Xp group aside, no idea why the corpse wasn't locked down until BDA chanter showed up, especially with other player(s) in zone. Lesson learned on both sides at least.

I agree. EQ drives people to impulse behavior like this all the time. You camp something for a day or so straight, someone comes in and gets the kill, you can't help but be pissed. You have to step back and pause for a minute before acting in situations like this.

[Grimfan]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

Nope. I'm pretty sure that they just said it because they were hoping to scoot the punishment, or make themselves look better. It takes a strong person to admit that they made a mistake in the heat of the moment and took something that wasn't theirs.

Honestly, your guild leader is an asshole, but a lot of this could have been avoided I think if he had simply told her that he wasn't interested in helping her with her epic. When you decide to ignore people you start to create drama, and it would not surprise me if he was actually happy this happened, knowing that he would get the item back to the right person, and that he would get to create a bunch of drama and shame some casual player. That's the vibe I get from this.

I'd also like to state that the quote in his signature is probably the bit of this thread that really makes it.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Grimfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it would not surprise me if he was actually happy this happened, knowing that he would get the item back to the right person, and that he would get to create a bunch of drama and shame some casual player. That's the vibe I get from this.

100%

dunno many established guilds stupid enough to leave an epic mobs corpse unlocked while person who just lost race hovers close by

against server rules or not, most would just keep corpse locked and avoid drama

[Meiva]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

I agree. I can imagine some frustration, impulse and then instant regret. Saraya has been investing many hours as of late on the epic grind, which of course can be an especially difficult one for an enchanter. It seems the wrongdoing was acknowledged. This thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I feel sorry for Saraya that you have to scroll about 13 pages of hate and garbage before those that know what a great player you are spoke up. I hope that your enchanter is unlocked, and that you do not feel your name is ruined.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Meiva [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel sorry for Saraya

a thief is a thief

eq is a social game; people are held accountable for their actions

it's classic

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a thief is a thief

eq is a social game; people are held accountable for their actions

it's classic

And no one in RL ever makes a bad judgement...