Guys, TMO is still killing dragons... - Page 13

Breaken · #1 02-11-2014, 06:54 PM

So, you assume that Rogean did not mean what he said, because it sounds absurd to you?

You again mention that it was said zone in is ok, but where was that said? It might have been, but I haven't seen it.

Breaken · #2 02-11-2014, 07:02 PM

Right, I am not disagreeing that KC zone line does not help (as long as others are doing it / can do it). And if it was stated, so be it. But as Gnomersy said, that is a large assumption that you feel Rogean did not mean what he said. I would personally make the large assumption that Rogean would be VERY careful in wording a publicly advertised raid suspension. Therefore meaning every letter of that sentence.

quido · #3 02-11-2014, 07:04 PM

I think you're just trying to twist Rogean's words to suit you.

Gonna keep staying to zone-ins. If you don't like it, do something about it.

Hitpoint · #4 02-11-2014, 07:03 PM

You're talking about people being logged in at zone line... In that case I have no idea. Seems like we're just trying to be reasonable and not abuse anything so far. And I don't think any guild has.

khanable · #5 02-11-2014, 07:07 PM

And I also don't think any guild is intentionally trying to abuse anything - just playing by the rules written on raid.php.

There are conflicting statements elsewhere on the forum, though, which creates a headache.

Breaken · #6 02-11-2014, 07:09 PM

I don't care if people log inside the zone either, I think most people just don't want to see a "raid force" inside a zone that a mob will pop in. But the definition of a raid force is rather ambiguous. And again, I do not know if any guild had a raid force in KC last night, but it is for future reference.

quido · #7 02-11-2014, 07:10 PM

I think VS is single groupable

kotton05 · #8 02-11-2014, 07:10 PM

love how quick they are to qq when they got the rotation

Turp_SmokinPurp · #9 02-11-2014, 07:30 PM

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love how quick they are to qq when they got the rotation

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I propose that we all agree to not log out in zones with target pops imminent and to mandate that guild members in the zone (other than trackers) not be involved in the engage however that got nowhere.. Perhaps we can get some agreement on this one point as a start? The windows are 16 hours so I am sure that members can resist killing Drolvarg #420 for a short period of time for example. Trackers can easily see who is in zone and check combat logs to see if those people are involved with heals, fighting, etc so that should be sufficient. This would be something all guilds can agree upon and we would not need to drag staff into it. If they get involved, it can be a lot harsher a policy than is wanted.

TMO had it very clear to members not to be in the zone during VS hours exping. An I am pretty sure there was 0 TMO exping during the window. If there was a few at the zone in ( for sure not a force we only had 25 or so total in the end) they was there because TMO had just got done doing draco, was moving to setup for Fay and VS and people buffing etc and re camping. An that would of been 5 people max.

I believe all guilds going for FFA targets like Trak/VS/SEV are doing this? Or should be. No groups exping can just go in an engage, I thought this was already a thing?

So say that your change goes into effect, the guilds must camp outside the zone? still would of been the same result.
Or as the others in this thread have said to make it so trackers cannot engage? Still TMO mobilized an ran back with a force faster than anyone. It will make it a bit more racey but not that huge of a change.
Do not see what all the fuss is about...
Velious is on the horizon, be happy.

khanable · #10 02-11-2014, 07:35 PM

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TMO had it very clear to members not to be in the zone during VS hours exping. An I am pretty sure there was 0 TMO exping during the window. If there was a few at the zone in ( for sure not a force we only had 25 or so total in the end) they was there because TMO had just got done doing draco, was moving to setup for Fay and VS and people buffing etc and re camping. An that would of been 5 people max.

I believe all guilds going for FFA targets like Trak/VS/SEV are doing this? Or should be. No groups exping can just go in an engage, I thought this was already a thing?

So say that your change goes into effect, the guilds must camp outside the zone? still would of been the same result.
Or as the others in this thread have said to make it so trackers cannot engage? Still TMO mobilized an ran back with a force faster than anyone. It will make it a bit more racey but not that huge of a change.
Do not see what all the fuss is about...
Velious is on the horizon, be happy.

I don't think you guys did anything wrong. It's really coming down to interpratation of the rules. The rules listed on raid.php are set in stone - you guys broke none of these. The random rules on the forums do say otherwise, but no clarification was ever given.

I know BDA is playing it ultra-safe. If this was us in the situation, I would have called for a forfeit on our part just because we had more than 2 folks in zone when the mob popped. This is just us though, and I'm sure you can understand why I'd take the cautious route.

Probably just going to need to setup some sort of gentleman's agreement amongst guilds about what is OK and what isn't OK.