Raid Scene 12/20 - 01/02 - Page 13

Lazie · #**121** 12-21-2013, 05:14 PM

I threw that together in 3 minutes of typing off memory from the rotations we used. You guys can feel free to discuss it but it really was the best system I was apart of. Wealth got distributed equally based on how fast you progressed.

radditsu · #**122** 12-21-2013, 05:15 PM

Or leave something up for x hours on an open date then its ffa.

Also here you need to factor in alt guilds who want to ruin a rotation. You need some sort of guild vetting process. TMO has an continues to use alt guilds. I am sure that will not go away. It would be used by many factions.

Frieza_Prexus · #**123** 12-21-2013, 05:25 PM

The issues that generally exists with rotations are that they tend to operate by consensus which can be difficult to implement, they lead to inevitable bloat, and there tends to be a gatekeeper effect should the bloat be tackled. I was hoping to develop this idea more before bringing it up publicly, but I don't see the harm in doing so. Much of the tension throughout the life of the server has been the casual versus hardcore debate. It seems like the pendulum is swinging drastically in the other direction now.

My personal belief is that any system implemented should respect both sides to a fairly equal extent. I personally play the game for the thrill of racing to FTE a dragon. The rush and unpreparedness aspect makes the game exciting to me. However, I respect that the individual with a family and a demanding job also wants to experience at least a portion of the end game.

Basic Idea:

I think hunting limits for each guild would be an excellent solution, but it would work best with the introduction of simulated patch days with the variance remaining intact and the simulated patches being more strictly controlled in favor of lesser guilds.

Example #1: No guild may kill more than, say, 10 targets each week. the week begins on Sunday and ends on Saturday EST. However, simulated repops are treated differently in that they are 1) announced 24 hours (or something) ahead of time 2) the hunting limits FOR THAT REPOP are 4 targets (or whatever is reasonable) per a guild. On a repop, no one guild may kill more than two targets that they kill on the previous repop.

The benefits for this system are that it still encourages competition for the hardcore crowd during the normal hours of the server while maintaining a regularly restricted environment wherein the more casual players can be guaranteed a fair and reasonable chance at content. If a guild wants to spend hundreds of man hours tracking, they may do so and reap a very large benefit during the normal week. During a repop, they are restricted to a small amount of high-value targets, and those targets will change somewhat between repops.

Example #2: During the week a guild gets 10 targets and stops raiding. All other guilds are now free to take whatever targets they want without the pressure of the top guild hanging over them. Repop #1 occurs and the top guild takes out Trak, VS, PD, and Faydedar. A new week happens and the top guild resumes raiding to its maximum on any 10 targets. Repop #2 occurs and the top guild can kill 4 targets, but only TWO of the previous four from repop #1.

Conclusion:
This system simultaneously promotes two environments where both hardcores and casuals may see content. There is no oversight in determining who qualifies for a rotation, and no consensus or community input is necessary in running the system. It is self-enforcing, and minimal intervention is needed by the server staff to keep it operating. The key is that both camps (hardcore/casual) receive equal respect in that hardcores may "earn" greater rewards whereas the casuals are strongly protected thus ensuring they see certain content.

Lazie · #**124** 12-21-2013, 05:34 PM

I am biased I like my system. I like it for one specific reason though.. Any new players coming to the server that wants to form their own guild and progress. They have a path to do it. The only bottleneck is waiting their turn in a rotation and lets be honest this content and the Velious content is what the server is going to have for a long time. So people are going to get their opportunities.

The guilds at the top will still recruit better than the guilds at the bottom because they are already at the high end of the content. But if a guild wants to kill just Naggy and Vox and play casually they can keep their chars around 52 and do it to their hearts content.

baramur · #**125** 12-21-2013, 08:18 PM

Guild A kills Trak. Guild A can not engage Trak for 2 hours next spawn. Guild A kills this trak after 2 hour expires. Guild A cannot engage Trak at all next spawn. I suggested this long time ago. Works with any Mob or any guild combination. If any Guild kills a mob 2 out of 3 Times it mandatory another guild must have next kill. IF any 2 guilds get 4 kills in a row, BOTH guilds must sit out. Example: IB/FE 1st, TMO 2nd, IB/FE 3rd, TMO 4th, Both guilds must sit out 5th. You need some comptetion, and having a 100percent rotation kills all competition. But saying a guild can only kill X mob y number of times out of 5 spawns or something, frees it up for other guilds. Like saying ANY guild can only kill a mob 2 out of 5 times. This would mean one guild could monopolize only 40 percent of total content if they managed every single kill. Or you could make it 3 out of 5 i dunno, but the important thing to note would be no 2 guilds could get all 5 kills, so i think 2 out of 5 is plenty fair.

Rellapse36 · #**126** 12-21-2013, 08:20 PM

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radditsu · #**127** 12-22-2013, 10:06 AM

I personally feel that a rotation is not the best course of action and something similar to baramur is a way to go.

In that way people who like to race CAN race to mobs. For some the hunt is the thrill.

That being said a consensus on a rotation would be a great thing to see.

Im a perfect world vox and naggy should be open raids put on for newbies 48-52 range. supported by core raid guilds...so that your 52 alts do not waste. Open rolls etc etc.

The economy is flooded with everything besides rez sticks and bladestoppers. It won't hurt any guild in the gear dept.

Elements · #**128** 12-22-2013, 10:29 AM

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Raid mobs need to be tiered in a rotation. Any raid mob involving an epic piece needs to be one tier. Naggy and Vox need to be their own Tier and VP needs to be it's own Tier (At least until Velious releases).

No VP capable guild should touch Naggy or Vox from this point forward. Sure they have rez sticks and Bladestoppers but if you have pushed your guild into VP for the loot there you should be willing to surrender any benefit there was to raiding Naggy and Vox.

Epic Piece bosses such as....

Fay
Inny
Sev
VS
Trak
CT

These mobs need to be rotated by guilds on a spawn by spawn basis. They don't always drop epic pieces but every guild will have the same chance of getting an epic piece off these mobs. If guilds started on Naggy and Vox they should have red scales and white scales banked so Tal and Gore really do not need to be on this rotation. To be put on this rotation you start at the bottom and request to be on the Fay rotation.

If you get added to the Fay rotation and you do not advance off it until you cleanly kill Fay 2 times on that rotation. Then you can request to be added to the Inny rotation same thing goes. Kill Inny 2 times cleanly and get added to the next rotation. Now if the guild whose turn it is on that mob fails to kill the mob in their slot within 2 hours... The next guild on the rotation can choose to take their turn or let the guild keep trying (This can be worked out between those 2 guilds at the time). You go down the list with those mobs and use them as tiers to prove they deserve to be on the next mobs rotation.

Tal and Gore remain FFA. FTE wins the day on those 2 as they really don't drop epic pieces you can't get from Vox or Naggy or even Ragefire when you start on those mobs.

VP is self explanatory too. Once a guild has enough VP keys to attempt dragons in VP they have to start from easiest to most difficult again and prove they deserve to be on the rotation for those mobs. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Edit: Obviously I forgot Draco and Maestro and Freeti. Feel free to add how they should be added.

Naggy and Vox both drop epic pieces.

Elements · #**129** 12-22-2013, 10:32 AM

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Guild A kills Trak. Guild A can not engage Trak for 2 hours next spawn. Guild A kills this trak after 2 hour expires. Guild A cannot engage Trak at all next spawn. I suggested this long time ago. Works with any Mob or any guild combination. If any Guild kills a mob 2 out of 3 Times it mandatory another guild must have next kill. IF any 2 guilds get 4 kills in a row, BOTH guilds must sit out. Example: IB/FE 1st, TMO 2nd, IB/FE 3rd, TMO 4th, Both guilds must sit out 5th. You need some comptetion, and having a 100percent rotation kills all competition. But saying a guild can only kill X mob y number of times out of 5 spawns or something, frees it up for other guilds. Like saying ANY guild can only kill a mob 2 out of 5 times. This would mean one guild could monopolize only 40 percent of total content if they managed every single kill. Or you could make it 3 out of 5 i dunno, but the important thing to note would be no 2 guilds could get all 5 kills, so i think 2 out of 5 is plenty fair.

How does this work for dragons in VP where TMO and FE are likely the only ones that can kill them like Hoshkar? Does it just stay up indefinitely?

radditsu · #**130** 12-22-2013, 10:35 AM

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How does this work for dragons in VP where TMO and FE are likely the only ones that can kill them like Hoshkar? Does it just stay up indefinitely?

From the looks of it vp is ffa.

However those dragons have 32k hps. A guild can zerg em if they build up enough keys/dps. It wouldn't take a ton of ttime to build up....honestly.

Vp hit squads have killed dragons with 18ish toons.