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[uygi]

Zeelot, I just remembered somebody caught cheating in TMO. It was a long time ago... I believe it was actually the last time Rogean delivered a raid suspension, which he almost never does. It was this dark elf shadowknight named Zeelot who [accidentialy?] used his PBAE nuke to break all of the opposing guild's mezzes.

Disclaimer: I like Zeelot, he's cool and I've known him for a long time, but his anti-cheating doctrine is definitely full of crap and always has been.

[Itap]

A good leader always makes excuses for his followers

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas. It seems more like you just want TMO to disband or be severely hurt. This has only been an issue since the return of the players who left for EQ mac. I hope we can resolve this and you will remove the post attacking TMO for a few individuals actions.

Thanks

Hello,

I would like to react to this part. I will discuss this as a player who tried to get an agreement from the top guilds to allow smaller guilds to be left content 1 week every 9 or 10 to compete at their level. This has got nothing to do with the guild I'm affiliated with, as it was a personal act.

The other top guild back then had agreed to it to some extent (we had a list of non top priority targets to be left, which was better than nothing). When I contacted you to reach for an agreement, you just answered me that your guild didn't want this, so it wouldn't happen, end of story. No discussion, no concessions. Nothing.

So please, could you acknowledge that your guild may not be as open to new ideas to improve the raid scene as you are trying to display here? If giving away a subset of targets for 1 week to smaller guilds every 9 or 10 is too much to ask, I am not surprised to see Rogean's comment on the front page about sharing the experience. Thanks Rogean for these words, as they mean a lot!

As for you Zeelot, I look forward for you to being a bit (read much) more honest, thanks.

[Weekapaug]

When I say what I'm about to say I'm not sticking up for TMO....The torches and pitchforks are out on the parts of so many for good reason. When you are the top guild on a server (the only real classic server in existence) for so long AND make a point of rat bastard cockblocking every other raid capable guild for years (plural) from content you haven't needed for years (plural) to the point where people understand when they roll certain classes they do so with the understanding that if they ever want their epics years (plural) after kunark came out that they will have to buy pieces from you AND you are singlehandedly responsible for new players being advised to abandon all hopes of raiding AND you allow your members to strut around and gloat about this like complete nutsacks, you are the epitome of naive to think the whole world isn't going to demand your balls on a plate when given half an excuse like this. And pretty fucking whiney on top of it. Your "some people have more time and different life priorites" plea isn't going to gain you a whole lot of sympathy from people with RL responsibilities who also put inordinate amounts of time and dedication into playing here but have been completely shut out of the raid game because of the way you, as a group, have chosen to comport yourselves here. For years (plural).

The short non-run on version of that: You behaved badly and now your chickens are coming home to roost. Rest assured, OJ Simpson isn't sitting in jail for 30 years just because he tried to steal back his stuff from a sleezy junk dealer. He got the book thrown at him for that because he got away with murder, acted like an asshole for years after, then gave somebody an excuse to get him in a courtroom again. And there isn't a living soul on the planet that loses a moment's sleep over it. That's what happens when you paint a big target on yourself.

And I applaud Rogean and the staff for being all over this. We've all known for years that the remaining "cesspool" aspects of playing here pretty much starts at the top and trickles down in its various forms.Reading between the lines of the announcement, it sounds like they've finally just had enough, in general. If that's truly the case I, like many others, feel they are going pretty easy on you guys, honestly.

BUT, I find myself seriously concerned with how they went about this. People can speculate all they want, but no one really knows to what extent the guild knew about the exploiting and RMTing. I don't like people getting strung up based on circumstantial evidence and, to me, it seems a bit heavy handed to ban any account those players simply logged into without some evidence that those accounts were involved in or benefited from the exploits. My understanding is that cash can be tracked...I sincerely hope that during the temp ban they will be investigating exactly which accounts were involved and which weren't. Banning an account simply because it was logged into on an IP because that IP was also used by a cheater at some other point is throwing a very big and indiscriminate net. And sets a really bad precident. Yes, I'm aware of being responsible for account info, but if an account was never used for cheating and did not benefit from cheating, then it should never be banned, IMO. Froth for blood all you want, but bullshit is still bullshit.

There have been a lot of times I haven't envied the server staff, but sorting this out tops them all.

[Yinikren]

Stop talking Jeremy, we stopped believing you at "buut guise we didn't know''


Every one of you deserves this punishment for all the shit you pull to swing the raid scene to your benefit.

Good night.

[Itap]

Jeremy, please stop pretending like what your guild mates did is something so minuscule.

If this were IBFE except after C, you would be having a field day

[quido]

I not saying anything is minuscule - I'm appalled at what two people I liked and trusted have done. They fully deserve their punishment. However, as far as I know, nobody knew about it or benefited from it aside from the two perpetrators. To hold every owner of every account they ever logged (even just one time) accountable for their actions is unfair in my opinion (when someone is banned for MQ they don't ban every account the person ever logged - they ban the ones on which the hacks were used), but I can see where the staff is coming from.

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas.

Eh, think the last time a discussion was supposed to happen some non-officers showed up to represent TMO, asked "where's velious?" and walked out.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, think the last time a discussion was supposed to happen some non-officers showed up to represent TMO, asked "where's velious?" and walked out.

I was going to say that too!

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, think the last time a discussion was supposed to happen some non-officers showed up to represent TMO, asked "where's velious?" and walked out.

Worst.