If you think US Healthcare is anything other than an embarrassment, you're delusional

[Langrisserx]

Originally Posted by Maddox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

US Healthcare System: In the last 6 years I have had three kids that cost about $500 each for everything from conception to home from hospital. My wife has had gall bladder removed with a few days notice and after a 4 day stay in the hospital. I paid $200. She also had wisdom teeth taken out which cost $150 and had no real wait time other than our schedule.

The doctors were overall excellent, the facilities were good, no real wait times, and was generally easy access to health services.

All-in with costs and insurance premiums, I've paid $12K over 6 years ($2K / year for those mathematically challenged). Reasonable costs to the consumer for good access and care. Welcome to the reality of 85%+ of Americans with insurance. Not sure the numbers but there are quite a few of the remaining <15% that are covered by government subsidies before Obamacare and have/had access to preventative care and nobody was turned away for emergency care.

Health care could certainly use reform and cost controls (Tort reform!) but lets not pretend we are living in Somalia. Cost of care is one thing, but pretending that US health care system sucks is just ignorant.

exactly. and lets not pretend that access to healthcare will ruin the country

[Langrisserx]

lol tort reform not ending for-profit care ... yea, limit how much you can be sued for but go ahead and steal from the sick... u must be a lawyer

no one is turned away from care because doctors are bound by ethics, not because of costs. the costs happen anyway, so insuring people will lower costs, instead of the current broken system that bankrupts everyone while SOMEONE makes a profit *cough insurance ceo*

unless you want to kill all the poor people by having them lie down in front of walmart on black friday, deal with reality

[Orruar]

Saying "profits shouldn't drive health care" is like saying "profits shouldn't drive food distribution". Ask the Cubans or Soviets or North Koreans how well it works to remove all profits from the market for food. Profit is a fantastic motivator as long as there aren't all kinds of other perverse manipulations in the market. In a free market, the drive for profit means containing costs and reducing price so as to make your service is affordable for as many people as possible. But we have a market where the price of health care is hidden for the vast majority of the consumers, so health care providers have no reason to contain costs. Even if you were paying them an amount that was 0 profit, we'd still spend more than any other country on health care. And that's because we have a system where all market discipline to reduce costs have been removed. And as we can see, such a system leads to higher costs than even a fully government run system.

[Langrisserx]

You can grow your own food. Its hard to operate on your own heart.

Back to the drawing board!

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can grow your own food. Its hard to operate on your own heart.

Back to the drawing board!

lol, is that what you consider to be a logical argument?

[Langrisserx]

about as logical as comparing food distribution to health care while implying that America will become a ghetto ..

you use the term Soviets though so i guess you're still fightin them russians? FOR KING AND COUNTRY!!!

stay in school brew

[Langrisserx]

Profit is a good thing in a business. North Koreans are starving. = I can't have healthcare?

Healthcare shouldn't be a business.

Doctors don't treat you because they get paid. They take an oath. I doubt you even believe your own arguments because they are so .... far fetched and based on total opinion... the costs are hidden so how do you know it will be more??? LOL gawd

[Langrisserx]

Cowards, the lot of you. Afraid of what someone tells you might happen, that can't happen.

Cowardice.

[Maddox]

According to Gallup polls this month:

69% of Americans rate their personal healthcare coverage as excellent/good.
59% of Americans are satisfied with the total cost paid for healthcare
80% of Americans rate the quality of care as excellent/good

Bottom Line:
"Americans remain generally positive about the quality of healthcare they personally receive, their healthcare coverage, and what they pay for healthcare".

As I've mentioned before... Health care costs need reform, quality can be improved, but pretending that we are in an extreme health care crisis is absurd.

Langrisserx, you are an idiot. Your ability to add substantive content to this post has been impressive. Without your quad posting, shiny-object, stream of consciousness thoughts, someone may have been able to make a good argument for healthcare.

Then again, this is RnF... My expectations are probably too high.

[Langrisserx]

Yea, someone on a message board is gonna sort this out. Ok Hero.

I'm far from an idiot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] but we both argue what over what other people should do with their lives, so ill concede the point if you admit to sharing my company in the idiotbox.

I didn't say we were in a crisis. I said anyone who is against healthcare for everyone is a coward, and that all the arguments against are spurious and regurgitated.

You must be high, tis true