Duping

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by senna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember this exact trade dupe thing happening to me before I quit

Was buying something in EC, went to trade with a buyer, couldnt open trade/was laggy. He camped out and came back and we completed the trade. Next time I logged in I had the item and the plat on my cursor.

The question is, is it possible to stop this behavior to no longer dupe? logic says if the dupe doesnt work anymore, then no reason for the DDOS'ers to continue to pay money to lag the server enough to dupe stuff. (assuming they are paying money to DDOS the server because they are making a lot more money RMT'ing the proceeds)

[Systolic]

Occam's Razor

[NegaStoat]

"wipe it clean" would only work if there is a discovered means to discourage future duping. This server has an established market demand for items for real money from idiot players, and that won't go away from a wipe.

[delusion]

Wiping it clean fixes nothing. You think they wouldn't just start up doing the exact same thing on the new one? It's quite disheartening that the staff has received very little help with figuring this out.

It's either not as rampant and widespread as everyone thinks or a lot of people know about it and don't want to help fix the problem while they stand to profit/gain from it.

The one thing I do know is it's making it impossible to enjoy the game while the DDoS attacks continue.

[fadetree]

client a opens trade window
client a tells server to tell client b to open trade window
client b opens trade window
player a puts item in trade window
client a tells server who tells client b about it
client b acks
player b hits accept
client b takes item into inventory
client b tells server okie dokie
server TRIES to tell client a about client b now having the item but
DDOS fail fail fail
client a never gets told the trade finished, so it never removes the item
voila - DUPE

Rogean - you could look for people just standing around swapping items a lot back and forth at the usual ddos times

[Visual]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

client a opens trade window
client a tells server to tell client b to open trade window
client b opens trade window
player a puts item in trade window
client a tells server who tells client b about it
client b acks
player b hits accept
client b takes item into inventory
client b tells server okie dokie
server TRIES to tell client a about client b now having the item but
DDOS fail fail fail
client a never gets told the trade finished, so it never removes the item
voila - DUPE

Rogean - you could look for people just standing around swapping items a lot back and forth at the usual ddos times

that begs the question, why isn't it programmed so the item is registered as removed from the offerer before it's registered as received by the recipient...

Better to have people petition for lost items than the market being flooded with artificial shit imo. You'd also see it getting more attention from the staff so they could alleviate the problem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Furinex]

Originally Posted by Visual [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that begs the question, why isn't it programmed so the item is registered as removed from the offerer before it's registered as received by the recipient...

If I could find the post I would, but I read a post from someone in another thread, that the EQ code is an elegant code meant for a time period of greater mental fortitude and honor. Honor being the keyword. Being as this was an innocent time period, these things probably weren't thought of. Wish I could remember who said it so I could quote them directly, for it was a brilliant statement that holds real weight.

[fadetree]

Its just a classic synchronization problem. Its probably made worse by the coders wanting to err on the side of preventing losses rather than preventing dupes.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Furinex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I could find the post I would, but I read a post from someone in another thread, that the EQ code is an elegant code meant for a time period of greater mental fortitude and honor. Honor being the keyword. Being as this was an innocent time period, these things probably weren't thought of. Wish I could remember who said it so I could quote them directly, for it was a brilliant statement that holds real weight.

Nice sentiment....but no.

[citizen1080]

Gadwen my friend....did someone shit in your cereal recently? You seem to be awfully negative lately on the forums =(