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Old 06-27-2010, 09:56 PM
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Even Nocte, the cleric from the group, is saying his group acted like greedy children because the item in question was valuable, but you're STILL going on with this "HE ZONED HE LOST IT" shit.
The same thing can be said about Shewz. A greedy child trying to take a camp from a group CR'ing that has melee in the group that needs the item.
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Old 06-27-2010, 09:59 PM
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The same thing can be said about Shewz. A greedy child trying to take a camp from a group CR'ing that has melee in the group that needs the item.
That's good and dandy that some random person on the forums who wasn't involved is saying that, but let's go over it again.

Nocte, the cleric from the group in question, said he felt his group members were throwing integrity out the window and acting like greedy children. He has every reason to be biased in favor of the group, and he still says that. He was there from start to finish, saw every bit of group chat, etc. He's in a FAR better position to say how people were acting than either you or I are.
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Old 06-27-2010, 09:57 PM
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Even Nocte, the cleric from the group, is saying his group acted like greedy children because the item in question was valuable, but you're STILL going on with this "HE ZONED HE LOST IT" shit.
Nocte's subjective opinion is his own. I'm going by the facts.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:01 PM
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The rules are simple, if you zone out you lose the camp. That much should be clear. This should be restated for future reference in an attempt to clear any more cases like this that should certainly arise. If you leave the zone you lose the camp! If that's your strategy, then you need to tweak it in such a manner that you'll remain in the zone, and preferably in the area of your camp (which you should be anyway).
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:21 PM
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The only mistake they made was giving this chanter mixed messages (and Pallie's attitude as well). He left the zone, whereas they were there and the sword dropped. Quite frankly, whether or not they told him he can have 1 more attempt doesn't matter, he zoned twice and he wasn't there when they were at the camp. The rules were always on the group's side, despite what anyone else in this thread thinks. Because it doesn't matter, it holds no water. They were there, he wasn't. They got the kill, and according to the rules it should be theirs.

But somehow he has the sword, and somehow they're the bad guys. The big mistake was them sending him a tell in the first place. If things went differently, say they killed him and said absolutely nothing to the chanter but "you leave you lose" this wouldn't have been an incident at all. He'd have been here on the forums ranting about how he zoned and lost a camp and we'd all be laughing at him.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:33 PM
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Let me reiterate my stance here:

The biggest mistake anyone made was when the group agreed to let the enchanter do a round then take over. They should have either told him to fuck off, or they should have agreed and let him actually have a chance at engaging the mob. Making the agreement then taking the camp anyway is where the douche baggery and lack of integrity comes from.

I'd also say that telling the enchanter to fuck off from the beginning would be much more inline with "Not being spineless and getting walked over" or however that was put earlier. Striking an arrangement then looking for any reason to convince themselves that the enchanter failed is when things went sour.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:37 PM
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Let me reiterate my stance here:

The biggest mistake anyone made was when the group agreed to let the enchanter do a round then take over. They should have either told him to fuck off, or they should have agreed and let him actually have a chance at engaging the mob. Making the agreement then taking the camp anyway is where the douche baggery and lack of integrity comes from.

I'd also say that telling the enchanter to fuck off from the beginning would be much more inline with "Not being spineless and getting walked over" or however that was put earlier. Striking an arrangement then looking for any reason to convince themselves that the enchanter failed is when things went sour.
I agree with most of this, a deal should never have been made. If the group walked up, didn't say anything, and took the camp the first time the enchanter zoned, nothing would be wrong. If the enchanter did come make a post, he would, as someone else said, get laughed at.

Though, I don't think they made an agreement and then looked for "any way they could to take it from him." From what I gather from logs, they said he could have the next spawn. Then, the group notices that hes not even in the zone anymore. They discuss just killing the king, but someone even says, whatever lets clear the adds he can take the king. They see him zone AGAIN, and go well fucking-a, just kill the damn thing. They kill the thing, the enchanter comes and bitches, and they say ok well lets roll for it. The enchanter LOSES the roll, and comes to QQ on the forum instead of attempting to reach an officer of the guild in question.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:41 PM
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I agree with most of this, a deal should never have been made. If the group walked up, didn't say anything, and took the camp the first time the enchanter zoned, nothing would be wrong. If the enchanter did come make a post, he would, as someone else said, get laughed at.

Though, I don't think they made an agreement and then looked for "any way they could to take it from him." From what I gather from logs, they said he could have the next spawn. Then, the group notices that hes not even in the zone anymore. They discuss just killing the king, but someone even says, whatever lets clear the adds he can take the king. They see him zone AGAIN, and go well fucking-a, just kill the damn thing. They kill the thing, the enchanter comes and bitches, and they say ok well lets roll for it. The enchanter LOSES the roll, and comes to QQ on the forum instead of attempting to reach an officer of the guild in question.
What also fucked it too was that when they made the deal, I'm pretty sure NO ONE, on either side, expected the next spawn to actually be the king with the damn 2hander. "Ehh, might as well agree to it, since it's not like the next one will be the king with the sword anyway, and this way we look like good, reasonable people." ..... "OH SHIT IT IS THE KING WITH THE SWORD, shit just got real!"
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:43 PM
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What also fucked it too was that when they made the deal, I'm pretty sure NO ONE, on either side, expected the next spawn to actually be the king with the damn 2hander. "Ehh, might as well agree to it, since it's not like the next one will be the king with the sword anyway, and this way we look like good, reasonable people." ..... "OH SHIT IT IS THE KING WITH THE SWORD, shit just got real!"
LOL, yep... worst possible thing that could have happened. The Random Number Generator can be a hateful bitch sometimes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:46 PM
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Still the fact is they allowed two failed attempts by Enc. and they took the spawn, and then gave her a crack at the lotto.
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