Chira numbuh wan!

[Ekco]

if i fucked up that bad and caused Trump to win again i wouldn't wanna talk about it anymore either.

[shovelquest]

"there is a difference between battling missinformation and conspiracy theories."

he says this, then it turns out his own goverment silenced the free press over something that turned out to be true.

[Trexller]

[shovelquest]

Conspiracy theories are that a south African nazi is secretly taking over our goverment with agents called big ballz.

That's literally a conspiracy theory.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Conspiracy theories are that a south African nazi is secretly taking over our goverment with agents called big ballz.

That's literally a conspiracy theory.

South African government is definitely taking land away from white people for no other reason then they are white people

that's as true as the day is long

[shovelquest]

Trump is a dictator is a fuckn conspiracy theory for christ sakes I hate democrats.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump is a dictator is a fuckn conspiracy theory for christ sakes I hate democrats.

so ive had the feeling for awhile that our terms like republican/democrat or liberal/conservative are wildly outdated and no longer serve to describe an individual's political opinions

MAGA is a de-facto political party that ran on the republican ticket, Woke is an utterly failed ideology that ran on the democratic ticket

The libertarians are now more right-wing then bush era republicans, those dudes like dave smith or tim pool made a hard turn right

It feels like we don't have terms and labels to describe the groups that are created by individual political leanings anymore, like now modern politics could truly be a color blind process where the best ideas win

No more tribes to which we are expected to serve and adhere, no more categories to put people in

we saw our 2 major parties coalesce into some weird twisted "uniparty for the status quo" and their resistance to change caused their voters to revolt and be like I dont wanna be a part of that

I just can't bring myself to say republicans are this or democrats are that anymore

it's all so gray and murky now

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so ive had the feeling for awhile that our terms like republican/democrat or liberal/conservative are wildly outdated and no longer serve to describe an individual's political opinions

MAGA is a de-facto political party that ran on the republican ticket, Woke is an utterly failed ideology that ran on the democratic ticket

The libertarians are now more right-wing then bush era republicans, those dudes like dave smith or tim pool made a hard turn right

It feels like we don't have terms and labels to describe the groups that are created by individual political leanings anymore, like now modern politics could truly be a color blind process where the best ideas win

No more tribes to which we are expected to serve and adhere, no more categories to put people in

we saw our 2 major parties coalesce into some weird twisted "uniparty for the status quo" and their resistance to change caused their voters to revolt and be like I dont wanna be a part of that

I just can't bring myself to say republicans are this or democrats are that anymore

it's all so gray and murky now

Yeah it's basically DNC/GOP uniparty vs Maga.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so ive had the feeling for awhile that our terms like republican/democrat or liberal/conservative are wildly outdated and no longer serve to describe an individual's political opinions

MAGA is a de-facto political party that ran on the republican ticket, Woke is an utterly failed ideology that ran on the democratic ticket

The libertarians are now more right-wing then bush era republicans, those dudes like dave smith or tim pool made a hard turn right

It feels like we don't have terms and labels to describe the groups that are created by individual political leanings anymore, like now modern politics could truly be a color blind process where the best ideas win

No more tribes to which we are expected to serve and adhere, no more categories to put people in

we saw our 2 major parties coalesce into some weird twisted "uniparty for the status quo" and their resistance to change caused their voters to revolt and be like I dont wanna be a part of that

I just can't bring myself to say republicans are this or democrats are that anymore

it's all so gray and murky now

I find it most useful to think of it in terms of Nietzsche and master-slave morality; there are those who subscribe to master morality (MAGA), and those who subscribe to slave morality (Democrats).

I think that's the clearest distinction. There are two dominant, competing conceptions of what is good and bad. In master morality, which aligns with the ancient greeks, goodness and virtue is strength, health, the will to power, and your ability to exert your will on your environment, thereby allowing you to protect and provide for yourself and your loved ones. There is no absolute morality, you make your own morality. This is why Trump can grab pussies, burn down capitols, leave national secrets scattered around the floor of his resort, tell Brian Kemp to "find more votes", etc... he is good because he is powerful and constantly provides victories for his 'clan'.

What Nietzsche called slave morality, on the other hand, aligns more closely with ancient Christians (though not modern ones) and I think is the predominant good/bad conceptualization among Democrats. Here, good and bad are abstract concepts-- to be 'good' often means living a life of virtue, humility, helping other people/charity, the golden rule, dealing in a fair and honest manner. You can be the biggest fuckin loser in town and still be 'good'. You can be a slave, and still be good. Your king can be powerful but if he is also 'evil' according to your abstract morality, then he is not a good king (see the purity-testing inherent in wokeness).

Master moralists will laugh in the face of a slave moralist when they say something like "that's not fair!". Slave moralists will laugh in the face of a master moralist when they say something like "fucking cancel culture witch-hunt" after they get caught and ostracized for fucking somebody over or otherwise doing something antisocial.

Society has always had both parties and always will. It needs both. The south park guys summed it up best with their soliloquy on dicks, pussies, and assholes. A society run by a bunch of dicks can't function very well, nor can a society run by a bunch of pussies. A society run by assholes isn't a society.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find it most useful to think of it in terms of Nietzsche and master-slave morality; there are those who subscribe to master morality (MAGA), and those who subscribe to slave morality (Democrats).

I think that's the clearest distinction. There are two competing conceptions of what is good and bad. In master morality, which aligns with the ancient greeks, goodness and virtue is strength, health, the will to power, and your ability to exert your will on your environment, thereby allowing you to protect and provide for yourself and your loved ones. There is no absolute morality, you make your own morality. This is why Trump can grab pussies, burn down capitols, leave national secrets scattered around the floor of his resort, tell Brian Kemp to "find more votes", etc... he is good because he is powerful and constantly provides victories for his 'clan'.

What Nietzsche called slave morality, on the other hand, aligns more closely with ancient Christians (though not modern ones) and I think is the predominant good/bad conceptualization among Democrats. Here, good and bad are abstract concepts-- to be 'good' often means living a life of virtue, humility, helping other people/charity, the golden rule, dealing in a fair and honest manner. You can be the biggest fuckin loser in town and still be 'good'. You can be a slave, and still be good. Your king can be powerful but if he is also 'evil' according to your abstract morality, then he is not a good king (see the purity-testing inherent in wokeness).

Master moralists will laugh in the face of a slave moralist when they say something like "that's not fair!". Slave moralists will laugh in the face of a master moralist when they say something like "fucking cancel culture witch-hunt" after they get caught and ostracized for fucking somebody over or otherwise doing something antisocial.

Society has always had both parties and always will. It needs both. The south park guys summed it up best with their soliloquy on dicks, pussies, and assholes. A society run by a bunch of dicks can't function very well, nor can a society run by a bunch of pussies. A society run by assholes isn't a society.

I subscribe to

The "Moral Circles Heatmap" illustrates how conservatives and liberals distribute their moral concerns differently by using concentric circles to represent various groups ranging from immediate family to all living things. The studies suggest that liberals tend to extend their moral concern to a broader range of entities, including non-human ones, while conservatives tend to focus their moral concern more narrowly, primarily around their immediate social groups.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig6_336076674

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