Afghanistan Megathread

[Mesocyclone]

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these people with all the bright ideas! NOBODY HAS EVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE.

So, why didnt you help?

If it bothers you so much. Why didnt you help?

Where were these questions when rape daddy surrendered?

I helped, I donated like 50% of my income to make those blackhawks they are hanging people from.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You’re going to have to make a better argument.

A better argument for progress? Okay, let's proceed...

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We’re talking about a culture that condones rape of boys and girls. A culture that kills homosexuals. A culture that denies women all sorts of basic rights.

Those are elements within that culture, each one reprehensible. Ignoring the religious aspect for a moment and focusing instead on the power structure, America has had a similar problem of its own through the Catholic church. Would it be correct to say that all practicing members of the Catholic faith should have been tried in court, rather than the specific sex offenders and those who facilitated their crimes? Or all Americans for that matter? What about the parents who didn't know for a lack of trying or wanting to know?

In 2007, Elsie McGrath became the first female ordained Catholic priest. Should the American government require that all churches to allow women to become priests, since its citizens should be equally free? Take it one step further, should Catholicism be outlawed and all Catholics deported? That would be a form of discrimination and tantamount to forced conversion, both of which are reprehensible. Granted, I have attended Catholic weddings myself and was disallowed from partaking in certain rituals/ceremonies, which a girlfriend said meant I was essentially condemned to hell or purgatory. In its own way, that is discrimination as well, but at least there's enough respect to allow me the choice of salvation or damnation. Some would call that progress.

https://youtu.be/amArH3ucEYU

Setting aside other cultural differences which may contribute to the problem, we are essentially talking about the same thing. Men in power who condoned rape and prevented women from securing equal rights, be it in the west or the middle east. However, in the case of Catholic church, even with their stranglehold on that part of the culture, those men ultimately did not prevail. Why? How can that knowledge be applied elsewhere?

Prohibition was also part of American culture and remnants of it can still be found in some counties to this day, but speakeasies were a part of the culture as a result. That is the duality of man on a macro level. I am arguing for those who represent the latter in Afghanistan, which does not mean I am also arguing in favor of the former.

But returning back to the matter of dehumanizing acts and not what is or isn't legal, while our culture doesn't necessarily condone rape, it does have a history of giving those in power the benefit of the doubt or at least affording them enough time to continue the behavior until it becomes common knowledge, both in that circle and out.

https://www.missourinet.com/2021/07/...-we-are-heard/
https://heavy.com/news/amanda-househ...ircle-of-hope/

Yes, lawsuits are being filed against both schools, but some cases go as far back as two decades and ABS operated in other states long before then.

Might as well drag the UK into this too...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37711518

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

America has a lot of mixed up ideas right now but we are still the most free and accepting society on earth. People aren’t trying to move to Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan.

If America is the most free, is it also the most responsible? Because without one the other leads to chaos, pleasure island, an idiocracy. I wouldn't even say that the average American enjoys the most privilege, though at one point in time that must have been true.

It isn't fun, casually lambasting the US, it just happens to be the country I know best from experience and it's also the country I can influence directly. Any other part of the world would receive the same treatment if circumstances were different.

Every country has its own pros and cons, some with pros that far outweigh the cons and vice versa, but the population cannot enjoy the good and conveniently pretend that the bad doesn't exist in order to appear morally superior to countries that are worse off. Just because you or I wouldn't pick up and move to Afghanistan willingly, and just because many of its people would move here in a heartbeat, that doesn't mean we are an exemplary society. Blue server might be the obvious choice to red, but that doesn't mean the raid scene is healthy.

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fear isn’t the Taliban being more powerful, the fear is the power vacuum that was created. Now who fills it? Not our allies.

"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." Henry Kissinger

Whether a world power considers its frenemies to be one or the other, both or neither, whoever fills the role will be right to distrust that world power in any event. A relationship without trust is merely a series of tentative exchanges. If everything is transactional than nothing is off the table. How is that mindset not condoning the same offenses mentioned in your post?

[nostalgiaquest]

Only a brainwashed/uninformed American who’s never left the country would consider America the most free and accepting society on Earth. Sorry but probably not even in the top 10.

[JurisDictum]

So I hired a guy to paint a shed out back. After the first couple of days I check in on him and it turns out nothing has been painted. He tells me the structure of the shed is breaking down, so painting it is useless. He asks for two weeks and a lot more money to rebuild the shed. So I go for it, wanting to get the problem solved.

After two weeks I check back in. Nothing has changed. He says that initial estimates were over-optimistic and he needs at least another month and more pay to hire extra help. I go for it, because im assured its the only way to recover my sunk costs in this project.

5 weeks go by, and there still is little progress on the shed. I finally tell him just to pack it in and give up the job. He agrees, but needs a couple days to gather all his materials and to make good on agreed payed days of employees etc.

After a couple days he says we needs another week. A week later its a couple more days. Finally you just tell him to leave at once and hes not getting a penny more.

The next day my wife is harassing me about the mess he left and saying ""why didn't you just have him clean up before letting him go!?"

[Ennewi]

One pro of living in Japan...

https://youtu.be/2xlUDUtftGw

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I hired a guy to paint a shed out back. After the first couple of days I check in on him and it turns out nothing has been painted. He tells me the structure of the shed is breaking down, so painting it is useless. He asks for two weeks and a lot more money to rebuild the shed. So I go for it, wanting to get the problem solved.

After two weeks I check back in. Nothing has changed. He says that initial estimates were over-optimistic and he needs at least another month and more pay to hire extra help. I go for it, because im assured its the only way to recover my sunk costs in this project.

5 weeks go by, and there still is little progress on the shed. I finally tell him just to pack it in and give up the job. He agrees, but needs a couple days to gather all his materials and to make good on agreed payed days of employees etc.

After a couple days he says we needs another week. A week later its a couple more days. Finally you just tell him to leave at once and hes not getting a penny more.

The next day my wife is harassing me about the mess he left and saying ""why didn't you just have him clean up before letting him go!?"

I forget where, but it was a very liberal town/city with what was becoming a notorious intersection. Pedestrians complained about the motorists, but more so the lack of crosswalk stripes. Council members spent days debating what was to be done and who would do it and for how much. As days turned into weeks, some random person in the community said, fuck it and painted a perfect row of white stripes in the middle of the night. The very next day, when council members learned of it, they held a vote and finally came to an agreement, to have the new stripes removed. That same day crosswalk stripes were again absent from that intersection and the council members returned to their old debate regarding what was to be done. If I find the news article or video again, I'll post it.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only a brainwashed/uninformed American who’s never left the country would consider America the most free and accepting society on Earth. Sorry but probably not even in the top 10.

what is?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I hired a guy to paint a shed out back. After the first couple of days I check in on him and it turns out nothing has been painted. He tells me the structure of the shed is breaking down, so painting it is useless. He asks for two weeks and a lot more money to rebuild the shed. So I go for it, wanting to get the problem solved.

After two weeks I check back in. Nothing has changed. He says that initial estimates were over-optimistic and he needs at least another month and more pay to hire extra help. I go for it, because im assured its the only way to recover my sunk costs in this project.

5 weeks go by, and there still is little progress on the shed. I finally tell him just to pack it in and give up the job. He agrees, but needs a couple days to gather all his materials and to make good on agreed payed days of employees etc.

After a couple days he says we needs another week. A week later its a couple more days. Finally you just tell him to leave at once and hes not getting a penny more.

The next day my wife is harassing me about the mess he left and saying ""why didn't you just have him clean up before letting him go!?"

It wasnt socialism that broke the soviets will to work, it was hypernormalism. The same hypernormalism that tries to tell me a riot is an insurrection and not yet just another example of how the people are unhappy and feel cornered in the world we live in today.

It. is. only. a. matter. of. time.

[starkind]

I feel bad about people suffering but with everything going on I am still finding it really hard to get all worked up about people killing each other while everything else is going on and the level of greed, lust, and hatred people have just interfere with them doing a few simple things to improve their lives.

All very un mohamad or jesus like.

So I kinda have 'checked out'. Even tho I care. I really do. I feel like most people would really start to feel this way if they were able to admit their failings and their desire to do better and that they weren't so much individuals as part of gods plan and could develop a little bit of superego.