Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDuNZyYAIQ

DSM's math is rapidly approaching Scott Steiner levels.

"The numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you!"

Indeed!

Here is some more data. This "a glyphed sentry" (level 27-29) has 37% haste from Alacrity (to simulate Tola Robe), and a torch in offhand:

[Tue Aug 30 19:44:06 2022] a glyphed sentry says 'Do not underestimate the might of Mistmoore!'
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:06 2022] a glyphed sentry tells you, 'Attacking a glyphed warder Master.'
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:07 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:07 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:09 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:09 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:11 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:12 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:17 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 29 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:18 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 15 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:19 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:21 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:24 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 8 points of damage..
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:28 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:29 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:36 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:36 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:45 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:47 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:49 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:56 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:56 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 40 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:00 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:02 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:02 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 48 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:04 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:06 2022] A glyphed sentry kicks a glyphed warder for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:06 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:10 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 45 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:11 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:12 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 37 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:12 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:15 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 50 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:15 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:17 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:19 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 8 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] A glyphed sentry kicks a glyphed warder for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] a glyphed warder has been slain by a glyphed sentry!
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with AgentsofMistmoore could not possibly get any worse.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with KingTearisThex got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with LeagueofAntonicanBards got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with MayongMistmoore could not possibly get any worse.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] You gain experience!!

1436 in 1 minute 16 seconds = 18.9 DPS

Here is my 24 Warrior with just 22% worn haste from Silver Chitin Hand Wraps, so he could still be spell hasted. This is an example with crit:

[Tue Aug 30 20:01:30 2022] Auto attack on.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:34 2022] You crush a froglok gaz warrior for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:34 2022] You kick a froglok gaz warrior for 8 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:34 2022] Scores a critical hit!(93)
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:34 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 93 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:41 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:41 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 23 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:43 2022] You kick a froglok gaz warrior for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:44 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 50 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:44 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 28 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:48 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 65 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:48 2022] Scores a critical hit!(102)
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:48 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 102 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:50 2022] You kick a froglok gaz warrior for 8 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:51 2022] You slash a froglok gaz warrior for 50 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:51 2022] You have slain a froglok gaz warrior!
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:51 2022] Your faction standing with FrogloksofGuk got worse.
[Tue Aug 30 20:01:51 2022] You gain experience!!

478 in 21 seconds = 22.7 DPS

I just don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp. From levels 1-30 melee classes are pretty dang good with 2k worth of items hehe. My warrior is using Wurmslayer, Fist of Zek, and has Silver Chitin Hand Wraps on.

Since my pet is simulating a Tola robe (worn haste), and my Warrior only has worn haste on, that means both could be hasted with spell haste. This means the difference in DPS wouldn't really change, they would both get a boost.

As I said before, a lot of classes don't have nearly as much power in the early game. Enchanters, Clerics, and Shamans are all somewhat dead weight for the first 30 levels or so. But they are worth leveling up past 30 so you benefit from the power when it matters. For Enchanters specifically, you also need to consider charm breaks when looking at their DPS. RNG can really screw you over, so you aren't always getting maximum DPS. Same with the Warrior, since you aren't always doing crits. Just throwing it out there before people try to talk about it.

[Karanis]

Hmm, I wonder if the sentry being the same level or at BEST 2 levels higher than that warder it's fighting is affecting its dps?

While your 24 warrior is fighting a mob that's level 16-17, hmmmmm.....

[Karanis]

Try running that test with that glyphed sentry fighting something level ~20, or your warrior fighting something level 22-24?

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm, I wonder if the sentry being the same level or at BEST 2 levels higher than that warder it's fighting is affecting its dps?

While your 24 warrior is fighting a mob that's level 16-17, hmmmmm.....

DSM has faulty data that tends to favor whatever he's arguing for? I'm shocked! He also continues to repeatedly ignore the fact that his warrior will inevitably have to bandage/sit to recover and a well played enchanter will not. If they get unlucky they might have to med occasionally but it'll be MUCH MUCH less than a warrior needing to recover HP without a fungi or regen buff. That's okay though let's just ignore facts that go against our narrative.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM has faulty data that tends to favor whatever he's arguing for? I'm shocked! He also continues to repeatedly ignore the fact that his warrior will inevitably have to bandage/sit to recover and a well played enchanter will not. If they get unlucky they might have to med occasionally but it'll be MUCH MUCH less than a warrior needing to recover HP without a fungi or regen buff. That's okay though let's just ignore facts that go against our narrative.

Lol you must get tired of getting proven wrong at every turn. Enchanters also have to meditate and deal with Charm breaks, fizzles, resists, interrupts, etc. It isn't one sided.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try running that test with that glyphed sentry fighting something level ~20, or your warrior fighting something level 22-24?

Why don't you supply some data for a change?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] So far you have supplied nothing.

[Karanis]

That's what I thought.

Here's some data: an 8 level difference inflates your warrior's dps massively, while fighting even level mobs with the charmed pet cripples its dps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what I thought.

Here's some data: an 8 level difference inflates your warrior's dps massively, while fighting even level mobs with the charmed pet cripples its dps.

Prove it with data[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] At lower levels, level difference matters less. It's why you can solo yellow mobs during the lower levels, but typically not at higher levels.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

data

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's some data: an 8 level difference inflates your warrior's dps massively, while fighting even level mobs with the charmed pet cripples its dps.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it with data[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think those statements are incorrect and/or need to be proven, I really don't know what to tell you. Though based on everything I've read from you in these enormously bloated threads, I really can't say I'm surprised.