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[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I asked him, not you, seeing as he's the one providing zero substance. Quit covering for the dumb kid in class.

Also that shit was dead in the water anyway.





I don't see anything about Trump taking action against the elite. TPP is taken.

Honestly I think you're just mad I'm criticizing Dear Leader.

travel ban, h1-b reform, the wall, taxing companies who leave, do i need to keep going?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stop the opioid epidemic

Funny you should mention that, considering the regions most wracked by the opioid epidemic went overwhelmingly for Trump.

Also, a wall does nothing for the 10 million illegals who are already here, and it does nothing for any illegal who walks 80 miles to the east where the proposed wall is planned to be a fence (Paul Ryan), or any illegal who takes a boat instead.

As long as the federal government isn't cracking down on corporations who hire illegals for cheap labor, it will continue to be a problem. Trump, a huge benefactor of immigrant labor and outsourcing himself, will do nothing where it actually matters.

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

travel ban, h1-b reform, the wall, taxing companies who leave, do i need to keep going?

H1B reform is a currently unfulfilled campaign promise. Where specifically has Trump made progress in this area? Two bipartisan bills have been introduced in Congress on this matter (Lofgren (D), Grassley (R), Durban (D) and were killed or left to flounder by the party hierarchy. Remember, I asked for actions SO FAR, not hot air spewed during the campaign.

The travel ban does nothing substantive on this matter with regard to the elite, and that's ignoring the fact that it was a poorly-executed gong-show that signifies profound incompetence. There has only been twitter threats of taxing companies who leave, which results in them keeping a token amount of jobs domestically in exchange for ransomed tax breaks and kickbacks, as occurred with Carrier and that car company.

[Pokesan]

conservatism is the new punk rock

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny you should mention that, considering the regions most wracked by the opioid epidemic went overwhelmingly for Trump.

Also, a wall does nothing for the 10 million illegals who are already here, and it does nothing for any illegal who walks 80 miles to the east where the proposed wall is planned to be a fence (Paul Ryan), or any illegal who takes a boat instead.

As long as the federal government isn't cracking down on corporations who hire illegals for cheap labor, it will continue to be a problem. Trump, a huge benefactor of immigrant labor and outsourcing himself, will do nothing where it actually matters.

Not to mention "stopping the opioid epidemic" is a complete misnomer. You can't stop something like that, you can only prevent NEW people from using opioids.

Trying to choke off the poor saps who got bit does absolutely nothing productive for this country as theres a 95% long term failure rate on first-time detox. Attacking doctors for simply writing prescriptions does nothing. the DEA should examine whether the patients that the doctor is writing for are legitimate and then leave the doctor alone especially in the event that the doctor is not the first doctor to have written for them. The problem I have read is that "pill mills" are a bit of a myth, there was a few outliers, they all got busted, and now the DEA is feeding on legitimate practices.

There needs to be policy changes if the opioid war is to be successful. Attacking existing market is futile, they need to focus on the new market. Pissing off the existing market is only going to cause them to complain, start talking to their friends about how to get pills, which doctor is writing, etc. possibly even start spewing pro-opioid propaganda to their friends and stress the importance of pills. That is not winning hearts and minds, and does not prevent new users. It generates more new users who will be affected by this propaganda. It puts opioids in conversations in the southern household by taking them away from people. How is that a good thing? I wouldn't want to cause people to start talking about opioids in a positive light en masse, but thats whats happening with their current tactics.

Prevention is the most effective tactic in the opioid war. Unfortunately the DEA thinks that means attacking doctors to "prevent" scripts from being written. This does fuckall except feed Cartels pockets (Mexico is largest importer of opioids since the crackdown)

The reason they use this tactic, is that true prevention would involve attacking the drug itself and the drug type itself and explaining how opiates/opioids are not similar to cocaine or any other "hard drug" in any way shape or form. The "league of their own strategy" would probably be more effective than the current doctor witch hunt. but Thats a big no-no. Pharma lobby would have the DEA's budget slashed within a year.

[mickmoranis]

There is no way in our life times we're going to do anything about opiates lmao we cant even figure out what to do with weed even though the answers are abundantly clear for these "problems"...

[Lune]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention "stopping the opioid epidemic" is a complete misnomer. You can't stop something like that, you can only prevent NEW people from using opioids.

Trying to choke off the poor saps who got bit does absolutely nothing productive for this country as theres a 95% long term failure rate on first-time detox. Attacking doctors for simply writing prescriptions does nothing. the DEA should examine whether the patients that the doctor is writing for are legitimate and then leave the doctor alone especially in the event that the doctor is not the first doctor to have written for them. The problem I have read is that "pill mills" are a bit of a myth, there was a few outliers, they all got busted, and now the DEA is feeding on legitimate practices.

There needs to be policy changes if the opioid war is to be successful. Attacking existing market is futile, they need to focus on the new market. Pissing off the existing market is only going to cause them to complain, start talking to their friends about how to get pills, which doctor is writing, etc. possibly even start spewing pro-opioid propaganda to their friends and stress the importance of pills. That is not winning hearts and minds, and does not prevent new users. It generates more new users who will be affected by this propaganda.

Prevention is the most effective tactic in the opioid war. Unfortunately the DEA thinks that means attacking doctors to "prevent" scripts from being written. This does fuckall except feed Cartels pockets (Mexico is largest importer of opioids since the crackdown)

Not to mention the majority of harm caused by opiates comes from behaviors associated with illicit use, which would be ameliorated by a policy shift toward decriminalization and harm reduction. Like you said, no amount of laws will take away the underlying drive for people to partake in opium. It needs a smear campaign on the order of what they did with tobacco.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny you should mention that, considering the regions most wracked by the opioid epidemic went overwhelmingly for Trump.

Also, a wall does nothing for the 10 million illegals who are already here, and it does nothing for any illegal who walks 80 miles to the east where the proposed wall is planned to be a fence (Paul Ryan), or any illegal who takes a boat instead.

As long as the federal government isn't cracking down on corporations who hire illegals for cheap labor, it will continue to be a problem. Trump, a huge benefactor of immigrant labor and outsourcing himself, will do nothing where it actually matters.



H1B reform is a currently unfulfilled campaign promise. Where specifically has Trump made progress in this area? Two bipartisan bills have been introduced in Congress on this matter (Lofgren (D), Grassley (R), Durban (D) and were killed or left to flounder by the party hierarchy.

The travel ban does nothing substantive on this matter with regard to the elite, and that's ignoring the fact that it was a poorly-executed gong-show that signifies profound incompetence. There has only been twitter threats of taxing companies who leave, which results in them keeping a token amount of jobs domestically in exchange for ransomed tax breaks and kickbacks, as occurred with Carrier and that car company.

Is that a bad thing? Yeah, devastated communities voted for trump. You hate drug addicts or something? I want to help my fellow man

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention the majority of harm caused by opiates comes from behaviors associated with illicit use, which would be ameliorated by a policy shift toward decriminalization and harm reduction. Like you said, no amount of laws will take away the underlying drive for people to partake in opium. It needs a smear campaign on the order of what they did with tobacco.

Youll never see that until its legal, so white mothers who dont have jobs will be scared enough that their kids will start using and require knitting pink hats & marches.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...ameliorated...

That a good word. Don't think I used it before. Seen it, but not used. Think imma adopt and abuse it （＾ν＾）

[bigjerry]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that a bad thing? Yeah, devastated communities voted for trump. You hate drug addicts or something? I want to help my fellow man

good thing to pick out. that ad hominem made me lol too. the people closest to the suffering want it to end the most huh? genius post.

Lune's bag of tricks is empty and prolly always was (I wasn't always here to check the kid). back to tranny chasing with ya, boy