the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If CPS allowed you to give up custody of your kid without incurring a felony for neglect do ya’ll know how many parents would do it?

You don’t wanna know…

So quit having unprotected sex? Suck some dick or lick some clits. Or run the risk of having a kid and becoming an adult, fast. Or put the kid up for adoption.

Or go the route of the left and just murder the baby.

I only know of one woman who had an abortion and I think it deeply troubles here to this day. I hope she can forgive herself because she was duped as a young kid to think it was fine. It's totally not fine to kill babies.

[nostalgiaquest]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I don't agree with those statements. 1 and 3 yeah, I do. But making things illegal certainly does and can work, it depends what you're talking about specifically. You can't just reduce it to "ban = good or bad". Murder is illegal. Yes people still murder, but fewer people murder because it is illegal. Larceny is a crime, most people don't steal because of the legal punishment for stealing. When laws against stealing are relaxed, which we are literally seeing right now in places like san francisco, theft skyrockets. So there is certainly a strong correlation between legality and frequency there.

OK. I see your point and I agree. If we make abortion illegal, it will reduce the number that happen, but it will not bring it to zero. Just like with murder and larceny, it’s still going to happen, it will just be illegal. Now think about what “illegal” abortion entails. I don’t know the details, but I’d guess a back alley abortion clinic is a pretty terrible place for everyone involved.

So now we have two options on the table that will reduce the abortion rate. We have education, which I believe is exponentially more effective across the board, is proven to work, addresses a fundamental root cause, has overall benefit to society, and has zero downsides. Or you have illegal back alley abortion clinics that less people go to. Mostly poor people btw, cuz the rich will always have access to clinics let’s be honest. And what about the increase in orphans, since we haven’t actually solved the problem? What’s the better solution?

Maybe there’s a solution that involves both ideas. I don’t know. And we can argue all day on when a human becomes a human. But why aren’t pro lifers jumping up and down and demanding education reform? Why are they doing nothing, or worse than nothing, in their states to actively address teen pregnancies? I simply don’t understand how someone can say they’re pro life, and completely ignore a solution that’s staring them in the face.

Now, for funsies, I’m going to put on my tin foil hat and make a bold statement. I hope it’s not true, but hey that’s politics baby. Conservative politicians don’t give two shits about abortion. Hell, how many of their kids have secretly had them? All they care about is the political talking point. It’s such a polarized issue that it’s been weaponized as a sure fire way to fire up the base and maintain us versus them. Which is why they actively resist education reform.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So quit having unprotected sex? Suck some dick or lick some clits. Or run the risk of having a kid and becoming an adult, fast. Or put the kid up for adoption.

Or go the route of the left and just murder the baby.

I only know of one woman who had an abortion and I think it deeply troubles here to this day. I hope she can forgive herself because she was duped as a young kid to think it was fine. It's totally not fine to kill babies.

I said it because I deal with shitty parents all the time in my job, and so many have either asked me directly about giving up their kid and/or threatened their kid to give them and/or contacted CPS themselves and asked. Then they have the disappointment of finding out it’s illegal

I’m not saying this as an argument for abortion. I’m just saying there’s a ton of shitty parents out there. And there’s a ton of irresponsible people who will try to take any way out they can, including giving their kid up, until they find out it’s illegal

But again, I only see dysfunctional family dynamics so I become jaded

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe there’s a solution that involves both ideas. I don’t know. And we can argue all day on when a human becomes a human. But why aren’t pro lifers jumping up and down and demanding education reform? Why are they doing nothing, or worse than nothing, in their states to actively address teen pregnancies? I simply don’t understand how someone can say they’re pro life, and completely ignore a solution that’s staring them in the face.

It is and always will be a stupid position to be pro-life but also completely anti-all contraceptives including things like condoms

It’s one or the other, either a pregnancy or a condom. Because waiting until marriage is simply not going to work in our “sex sells” American culture. Could the entire culture be changed? No, even though I might think that would do some good. It would have too much pushback to try to become puritanical

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is and always will be a stupid position to be pro-life but also completely anti-all contraceptives including things like condoms

It’s one or the other, either a pregnancy or a condom. Because waiting until marriage is simply not going to work in our “sex sells” American culture. Could the entire culture be changed? No, even though I might think that would do some good. It would have too much pushback to try to become puritanical

Pro-life was originally a Catholic thing but was stolen by heretics and anti-theists.

[Reiwa]

There's no scriptural basis for supporting one but not the other.

Luther should still be at St Lamberts, imo.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no scriptural basis for supporting one but not the other.

I believe most pro-lifers believe life begins at conception, so a condom would not be something they would see as immoral but the morning after pill would

Then again, sex before marriage used to be a no-no I believe with both Christianity and Catholicism, and that would include with a condom

So I guess it depends on how modern-adapted your belief system is

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said it because I deal with shitty parents all the time in my job, and so many have either asked me directly about giving up their kid and/or threatened their kid to give them and/or contacted CPS themselves and asked. Then they have the disappointment of finding out it’s illegal

I’m not saying this as an argument for abortion. I’m just saying there’s a ton of shitty parents out there. And there’s a ton of irresponsible people who will try to take any way out they can, including giving their kid up, until they find out it’s illegal

But again, I only see dysfunctional family dynamics so I become jaded

Wouldn't CPS also be concerned about a kid living in a home with parents who are only not giving him up because it's illegal? Isn't that like advertising that neglect is inevitable?

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT lefties who think they still might lose their virginity want to make sure they dont have to potentially be parents one day spoiler they will end up getting pegged in bed anyway so the conversation is moot.

ITT Jib is jealous he is missing out on the pegging action.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wouldn't CPS also be concerned about a kid living in a home with parents who are only not giving him up because it's illegal? Isn't that like advertising that neglect is inevitable?

CPS is completely swamped 100% of the time. There aren’t even enough shelters to put kids in, let alone group homes. So other agencies like Behavioral Health Hospitals and Residential Treatment Centers have to help share the load. For example, a CPS case manager will take custody of a kid, take them to a adolescent behavioral health hospital and sign them in due to mental health problems that may be partly genetic and partly due to their shitty childhood, and then just leave them there. After a few weeks the Hospital will be calling like “uhhh are you gonna come pick up this kid?” And the CPS case manager will be like “sorry, no shelter available yet to put them in”. And the Hospital will be like “ok….” with nothing they can do but keep the kid for months and months sometimes. Because they can’t discharge a kid to no one

So when parents worry “is CPS going to show up and seize my kid?” not for stuff like emotional abuse of telling your kid you don’t love them and don’t want them to live there. CPS just doesn’t have the resources for that. They have to triage seizing custody for cases of serious physical/sexual abuse/neglect as priority and then go down from there. They still will get involved if you tell your kid you hate them and don’t want them, but it will be to do parenting classes and other stuff, they really will try to avoid seizing custody as a last resort

Edit. This is CPS in my state, don’t take it as a reflection for CPS everywhere or adoption centers (I have no experience with these)