TMO adds Gorenaire to the endangered dragon list

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, only asking for 2/3 open for rotation (not everything).

It's TMO who wants competition with giving up nothing. Get your facts straight Stealin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aye, TMO has not given up anything in the past 3 weeks.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aye, TMO has not given up anything in the past 3 weeks.

1 unwanted dragon per week is nothing for TMO, and you know it. As if that would allow for (true) competition to arise.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, and it's completely unreasonable to have to waste that much time. I mean surely you earned the position you're in now, but you can't tell me that wasting weeks of your life is a reasonable entry cost to competing for raid mobs on this server.

in live back in the age , without vent and other stuff , u did that and worse things to keep up in any real top end raid guild.

what some find good and sane not always is for everyone and vice versa

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think for a second that TMO wouldn't be cleaning up every target they want on consistent repops, you're fooling yourself. They might be sloppy now (when they can afford it) but if you start giving them consistent repops and other guilds want to compete, they are just going to use that opportunity to shape up and call it competition.

I might not play, but even I hear how sloppy they've become lately and how they have changed the guild since the lack of competition. It wouldn't take much for them to get back into a serious atmosphere and crush any and all types of "competition"


The problem with the casual guilds is this. You guys talk way too much about what you could or what would be and don't put out any sort of action. You want everything but want to give up nothing. You will never pull out any sort of consistency with that ethic and thus will never challenge a guild that is built like TMO.

The only hope the rest of p99 has is to work together to spread TMO thin. If you don't work together, you're just going to get stomped and all walk away with nothing. There are a few skilled people in TMO and a great deal of people that generally slack at their roles on raids, get them stretched thin so those actions of the slackers count more and you'll start picking up targets and watch as TMO starts bickering with itself.

All Hail and praise our Lord Stealin Wonderbras.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 unwanted dragon per week is nothing for TMO, and you know it. As if that would allow for (true) competition to arise.

Yet, they don't have to. it isn't so much to breed competition or to allow other guilds to catch up. It's to test the resolve and determination of the other guilds.

Loot won't make you compete, having loot won't make other guilds compete more. If guilds don't want the loot now, they will not want it when they have more than they do now. They will just keep doing what they are now, asking for more free handouts.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in live back in the age , without vent and other stuff , u did that and worse things to keep up in any real top end raid guild.

This simply isn't true. Mobs did not have 4 day windows on Live.

[Supaskillz]

Why must the same conversation be copy and pasted on every single one of these threads?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This simply isn't true. Mobs did not have 4 day windows on Live.

Yes so you had multiple guilds racing and training the shit out of each other to a mob. Live just didn't have poopsocking because you had to wait till you had enough people online to kill something.

[Sckrilla]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously TMO is going to do what TMO does but the trains have to stop. We've been in hate the last 3 full repops and been trained every. single. time. It's not accidental, it's not us being terrible, it's not any other reason TMO will attempt to spin. If TMO wants a mob they will train you and/or FTE snipe stuff with eyes and pets and there's nothing anyone can do aside from resorting to those same tactics.

BDA isnt going to resort to those tactics. Maybe if TMO would set a better example this server would be a nicer place to play, until then feel free to run roughshod over P99.

I usually don't post on these threads but this just warrants a reply. Like Alarti mentioned earlier, I was the ONLY TMO up in Hate at the time of this alleged train. I was up there with maybe a little less than a dozen BDA when they began pulling pathers. The mob in question happened to be a Spite Golem that I was DPSing/backstabbing until it was low enough on health to start walking away with NO snare. As soon as that happened I backed off and camped out, came back in and went hide/sneak to watch the inc train that was surely about to happen. Sure enough, several minutes later half the zone started piling into the entrance RIGHT about the same time 2 or so groups of TMO started porting up after our VS kill. So not only did YOUR own train wipe you guys but it wiped every single TMO that ported up minus myself and a few monks.

I immediately started getting tells for training BDA and how they watched me FEAR their Spite Golem. Which is fine, because they probably did see the animation for Intimidation, however, it was my Nightfall proccing Dooming Darkness (which was resisted). They both share the exact same animation when it procs. The likelihood of me even getting a successful intimidation under a 100 skill level on a SPITE golem is extremely, extremely unlikely as well. Plus I have logs to disprove a fear, but prove a failed GD proc. And oddly enough no BDA present could prove otherwise. So yes, in this particular case, it was simply BDA "being terrible." And I mean no offense by that as I have several good friends in BDA, and those people all know that I would never do something like that in general, let alone to BDA.

**edit Not to mention this was right after a new patch where mobs began fleeing sooner (think it started around 18-20%) and faster, lulz..

[inyane]

Yes, that sounds like a train caused by the patch.

The part I'm interested in is how you can pull mobs to zone without it agro'ing anything else.

Apparently this is a know bug? flaw? exploit? but I would like to know how it's done.