Trakanon Rotation

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not really true and an unfair generalization. I'm not in denial about sometimes losing; it happens.

And I'm not trying to disparage the two Trak kills VD did get. Good for them for getting them, but in general, we won't be wiping to him, nor will we be leaving the lair for Talendor.

I am all for sharing, but know your place. VD proposing that they deserve as much as we do is an affront to our honor! Such claims must be met with fierce competition.

I'll tell you what I would be in favor of: Neither TMO nor VD competing on like one out of four mobs. At this point we have no interest in a rotation agreement with VD, but I'd still like to provide whoever's interested with a shot to try these encounters.

I actually believe you when you say this, but you do not speak for your guild on the subject.

Unless the logs are falsified, Coldblooded has tried to work out a rotation of some sort with Zeelot no less than three times and Zeelot has not even entertained the possibility. That doesn't sound like a guild leader ready to compromise. Granted, he likely didn't expect a rotation agreement to the effect of 3 open competitions for TMO/VD, then 1 for the rest of the server. But I have to believe that that type of deal would at least be entertained by Coldblooded, with a few possible tweaks. I have no confidence that Zeelot would even consider it.

I'd be glad to be wrong, but I don't think I am. It seems to me as though IB and TMO are more or less interchangeable in the top dog role.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not IB. I just appreciate the irony.

Until recently, IB refused to accept any rotation or agreement that didn't greatly favor them because they felt they would win a disproportionate amount of the open competitions. TMO complained and accused them of being greedy, conniving pixelnerds that would stop at nothing (read: rule lawyering, poopsocking, training, ninja-looting) to squeeze out every last pixel.

The day finally came when TMO overtook IB, and IB stomped off the server. Now as top dog, TMO has done all of the above that they were so infuriated with IB for having done.

Also, the "legitimately beaten" thing is a straw man. If we ask the defeated, nobody has ever been legitimately beaten. When VD beats you on Trak, it's -- and I quote -- "a fluke". When you beat VD, it's because you're socking and/or training. Etc, etc, forever and ever.

TMO is inarguably #1 right now. After so many months of complaining about IB, it'd be nice if you didn't follow so closely in their footsteps.

That's complete horseshit, TMO never came to the table to discuss rotations. It was IB that pushed for the original Trak rotation and it was Rogean that forced TMO/IB to develop a rotation for VP.

For the record IB is by no means clean here, we did our fair share of shitty stuff to TMO just like they did to us. But people (and I know you call them out later in your post) need to stop acting like TMO was ever a victim of IB.

[Banbarian]

Any time you see Perun, Kins, Loke, etc in VP you can rest assured we are not working with VD. We are simply there to ruin your day.

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody in a long time has complained about getting legitimately beaten. We complained mostly because you're a bunch of cheating sketchballs who have no scruples, as a guild anyways.

Yeah, I got yelled at a lot when I used to play 1.6 for using an aimbot too, except I wasn't

Nothing has changed

Stay strong VD, they are crumbling.

[Gumm]

it's brutally clear that members of VD have posted this in an attempt to win public support by placing all blame on the lack of a rotation on TMO.

instead of trying to sway public opinion and outrage onto your side, why not outright win trakanon's? if you care so much about the good of the server, invite those other guilds that don't currently engage trakanon such as taken, divinity, BDA etc and have them raid with you.

you can't play only one side in this discussion.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gumm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

instead of trying to sway public opinion and outrage onto your side, why not outright win trakanon's?

We have, and we will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by Gumm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you care so much about the good of the server, invite those other guilds that don't currently engage trakanon such as taken, divinity, BDA etc and have them raid with you.

And the rhetoric from TMO will be "The only reason you won that one is because you had help with Taken/BDA/Div", etc, etc... the same crap we heard when we were raiding with IB. Those guilds deserve a shot at Trak on their own, without TMO calling them our zerglings and cry for a merge or however they'd spin it.

I wouldn't mind a Trak rotation like Zapatos proposed:

1) TMO vs VD
2) open (non-TMO and VD) for X number of hours, then FFA

Gives TMO the competition they crave, and gives the other guilds on the server a shot on their own.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) TMO vs VD
2) open (non-TMO and VD) for X number of hours, then FFA

If you want to make sure VD doesn't get more than your version of "fair share of mobs", then beat us to them. Try and make sure VD gets zero. In this scenario, VD only gets as many Traks as they earn by beating you.

[AenarieFenninRo]

My statement was actually directed at VD trying to say "this is how its going to be". They then try to use your "observation" to say its TMO agreeing to it.

I have seen VD people do this in other threads several times. Its how they get their wiggle room to try to say "we did this in good faith" when the original proposal was completely aligned in their favor and against the other party.

They will then try to turn this into the TMO hates the server, and everyone should be against them argument.

Dont fall into their trap Jeremy!

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They will then try to turn this into the TMO hates the server, and everyone should be against them argument.

Dont fall into their trap Jeremy!

Its already started even in the time it took me to post my comment!

[quido]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to make sure VD doesn't get more than your version of "fair share of mobs", then beat us to them. Try and make sure VD gets zero. In this scenario, VD only gets as many Traks as they earn by beating you.

Such a proposal is out of the question. As I stated before, competition when it is only half of the time isn't real competition, in my opinion. It is a tailor-made handicap that benefits you and hinders us. It is not going to happen.

Furthermore I think having 50% of the mobs being open to competition after a set period of time is a further handicap since we generally crush you on the fast mobilize. Those two hours or whatever you have to prepare for that FFA is a relative advantage to you. I don't like it.

Vesica Dei, you are not going to get what you want in an agreement with us; all your proposals unfairly handicap our superiority that we wish to embrace. You are going to have to prove it, I think. But we can at least offer up one out of four mobs in the interest of the server here, can't we? Cmon guys, wouldn't it be awesome to pique the interest of a bunch of people and have that much more dynamic of an endgame raiding scene?

It is clear that we are at odds with regards to how much of a handicap you deserve. Surely, though, we can agree that it would be really fucking awesome to give our pals not in our guilds a chance even just to try out some of this content.

Cmon sluts, let's see it happen for 2 months. Let's see it happen for even just a month!

[Teddie1056]

We can hold our own over a month or 2. We can do it. We don't want to. And I can only hope that you don't want to. You'd be crazy to enjoy poopsocking.

How about
1. TMO
2. Open
3. Vd
4. Open
5. Open (minus VD/TMO)

This gives even more competition. Renew it on a monthly basis, if we can't get anything out of the open slots, then kill the rotation.

If you truly are as dominant as you say, you will get 3 a rotation to our 1.