Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[tacomagradd]

Klaz was behind the entire raid and yet they still bee lined to him. Sure they killed people sitting along the way. If Klaz didn't have agro, they would've killed standing raiders well before him. But no, the merbs straight up ignore all standing raiders, and fly over our raid to kill Klaz.

If we'd trained ourselves, Klaz wouldn't have agro. The mobs would have no reason to go straight for him.

If you have a counter scenario that explains this, I am all ears.

But for now... case closed.

[Wokka]

The hypocrisy and bias among the hyper nerds is incredible. It doesn't really matter what happens, now or in the past or future. People will believe what they want to believe, reason and logic have no place in their narrative, and as long as they think they have "won" the argument, they will continue to think of themselves as morally superior. Pathetic. Go outside for a few days, turn off your computer and wake up to yourselves.

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Wokka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hypocrisy and bias among the hyper nerds is incredible. It doesn't really matter what happens, now or in the past or future. People will believe what they want to believe, reason and logic have no place in their narrative, and as long as they think they have "won" the argument, they will continue to think of themselves as morally superior. Pathetic. Go outside for a few days, turn off your computer and wake up to yourselves.

There is objective truth; the videos plainly shows a fd class training a raid. Only a imbecile would claim otherwise.
He had no reason to be there, no reason to stand and bring in mobs to wipe out people sitting before mobs attack and kill him, no reason to not /q while fd, no reason to run past a competing guild, and his silence on this thread explaining his actions is deafening.
Textbook training. QED
He should be banned.

[Foxplay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuTFbTn4SY8 (Runyun POV)

start of video 0-10 sec Klaz can be clearly seen running past Riot/Kittens
1:40-142: Vulak guards after social aggroing trash drakes at bottom of ramps come up the ramp, Fresh aggro messages on the social aggro'd mobs go out just as they reach the top of the ramp, prior to killing anyone this is indicative of dropped aggro, the rest of the train then social assists off of these new aggros and will prove this in the next video PoV
1:48 - 151 : Klaz stands up immediately pulling aggro from Vulak guards + blue drake
Fresh aggro messages go out upon Klaz death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNcHkMbrGbc (Arrakkis PoV)

0:38-44: Trash drakes at bottom of ramp aggro somebody running by who dies, These trash drakes stop moving (clean), Vulak guards can then be seen comming down from tripples and social aggro these nearby drakes heading up to doubles (Klaz position)
0:48: As the train is comming up the ramp >> Klazdaxthun begins casting a spell (have to be standing to cast), exactly 1.5 seconds later (feign death cast time) Fresh aggro messages go out (Just like in Runyun's video)
0:59 Klaz begins casting a spell (standing) Immediatly pulls aggro from Vulak guards and those that assist him, again despite other players being in closer proximity and sitting

If riot/kittens was dirty there would have been no new aggro messages until whatever dirty player had died, but the new aggro messages came out exactly 1.5 seconds after Klaz is seen casting in Arrakkis video (cast time of feign death) which matches up with Runyun's perspective

TLDR; He was dirty the whole time, ran behind an opposing raid force while dirty, feigned, then later stood up while Vulak guards where up at tripples. Stayed standing long enough for them to come down ramp social aggro nearby drakes, and then feign death as they reach the top of the ramp. He then stands in an attempt to gate, but immediately peels aggro from everyone due to his previous aggro and dies

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1:40-142: Vulak guards after social aggroing trash drakes at bottom of ramps come up the ramp, Fresh aggro messages on the social aggro'd mobs go out just as they reach the top of the ramp, prior to killing anyone this is indicative of dropped aggro, the rest of the train then social assists off of these new aggros and will prove this in the next video PoV

The assist is on Hoyi.

[Kaitainz]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The assist is on Hoyi.

Let me break this down for you barney style you absolute imbecile, or are you playing like a full retard, you never go full retard. The assist was after the new agro message, after the necro FD'ed. Maybe you should go watch the fucking video, slow it down real slow for your dumb ass and then try and understand, instead of playing mental gymnastics with yourself. Know what happens when a monk or SK or necro FD's successfuly, with pissed off mobs coming at him and now in range of other people? They go to kill the new people that they just found. its FUCKING amazing. Now, when dumbshit necro stands to get the hell out of dodge, for being a fucking wanker, guess what EVERY FUCKING mob around there does.. they go to murder his dumb ass. Know what this means shit for brains? It means he had the HIGHEST agro.

Now why was a necro FD in the back of an opposing raid force, btw, which was NO WHERE NEAR his own fucking raid.. so why was he even here in the first place... but lets ask that question in the next paragraph.

Why did he run up the ramp, to an opposing raids area.. with another kiter who had agro.. and brought said mobs up towards the t op of the ramp, and this necro, just happen to run behind this opposing raid force, all the while agro. Why did this necro not just /q like EVERY FUCKING FD class knows you MUST do to clear agro on any mobs that have agro on you that are not stationary position mobs. Lets now get to the meat and potatoes boys and girls. Why did he run there in the first place all the while having agro on Vulaks guards, and subsequently, everything else they come across. Why not /q at at triples all by yourself in the safe space you CoTH into... 0 reason to run up the ramp with a fellow kiter into an opposing forces area, no where near your own, unless, just maybe, your either a moron, or you planned on bringing mobs to slow/stop the opposing force from being able to engage. while you wiped. To argue anything before this, is absolutely moronic. Stop moving the goal posts and answer the basic questions, then we can move onto the harder ones. Enjoy!

[sydbarrett25]

Originally Posted by Kaitainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me break this down for you barney style you absolute imbecile, or are you playing like a full retard, you never go full retard. The assist was after the new agro message, after the necro FD'ed. Maybe you should go watch the fucking video, slow it down real slow for your dumb ass and then try and understand, instead of playing mental gymnastics with yourself. Know what happens when a monk or SK or necro FD's successfuly, with pissed off mobs coming at him and now in range of other people? They go to kill the new people that they just found. its FUCKING amazing. Now, when dumbshit necro stands to get the hell out of dodge, for being a fucking wanker, guess what EVERY FUCKING mob around there does.. they go to murder his dumb ass. Know what this means shit for brains? It means he had the HIGHEST agro.

Now why was a necro FD in the back of an opposing raid force, btw, which was NO WHERE NEAR his own fucking raid.. so why was he even here in the first place... but lets ask that question in the next paragraph.

Why did he run up the ramp, to an opposing raids area.. with another kiter who had agro.. and brought said mobs up towards the t op of the ramp, and this necro, just happen to run behind this opposing raid force, all the while agro. Why did this necro not just /q like EVERY FUCKING FD class knows you MUST do to clear agro on any mobs that have agro on you that are not stationary position mobs. Lets now get to the meat and potatoes boys and girls. Why did he run there in the first place all the while having agro on Vulaks guards, and subsequently, everything else they come across. Why not /q at at triples all by yourself in the safe space you CoTH into... 0 reason to run up the ramp with a fellow kiter into an opposing forces area, no where near your own, unless, just maybe, your either a moron, or you planned on bringing mobs to slow/stop the opposing force from being able to engage. while you wiped. To argue anything before this, is absolutely moronic. Stop moving the goal posts and answer the basic questions, then we can move onto the harder ones. Enjoy!

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Kaitainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The assist was after the new agro message, after the necro FD'ed.

Then your video is absolutely useless. Just like the rest of your post.

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The assist is on Hoyi.

That assist happens after the new aggro messages go out in the video. I know it can be a little confusing because it happens nearly at the same time but let me break it down for you...

1:40 (Runyun Video) , go frame by frame

Fresh aggro messages go out - he is still typing /ass , he has not hit enter yet. This assist happens after Klaz got feign death off as new aggro messages happened and Hoyi just happened to be what Klaz's trains went to aggro first

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Klaz was behind the entire raid and yet they still bee lined to him. Sure they killed people sitting along the way.

These two statements immediately contradict each other. Did they bee line to Klaz or did they kill other raiders first? It's not both.

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we'd trained ourselves, Klaz wouldn't have agro. The mobs would have no reason to go straight for him.

When you log in to a zone, you are assigned a new GUID when added to the table of players in the zone. NPCs will aggro the player with the highest GUID when no players have threat and there are multiple players in range.