Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps

[Ravhin]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was universal PNP for the game - Play Nice Policy. Whenever certain server gms enforced it or not, is another thing

Indeed this was actually the case cerca 1999-2000, here is the relevant part of the Guide CSR manual:

8.2.3 Contested Spawn Complaints

When a complaint is received indicating that a spawn or kill is contested... instruct the parties involved in the contested spawn situation to work out a compromise. Then leave the scene.

If [a second] complaint is received involving the same spawn site, another disruption investigation should be initiated. After following those procedures and issuing warnings as necessary, if any of the parties involved were involved in the initial situation, establish a compromise for the parties to which the parties are required to abide. The compromise should be as described in section 8.2.3.1. Any party refusing to abide by the compromise established by the CS Representative should be issued a warning for disruption.

On PvP servers, where players can reach a solution to the contested spawn situation, the CS Representative does not need to require the players to share the spawn.

8.2.3.1 The compromise will require all parties to take turns killing the spawn(s). All parties involved in the contested spawn should be instructed to use /random 0 100 to choose a number. The CS Representative then uses /random 0 100. The individual with the closest number to the CS Representative’s number will be next in the rotation. The CS Representative then bases the rest of the rotation order on how close the other parties’ numbers were to theirs. The compromise established by a CS Representative must be objective and not require the CS Representative to choose one customer over another based on subjective criteria. The CS Representative is the arbiter in any disputes in establishing the compromise.

[Pudge]

solution: red99

[Dynaguy]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

solution: red99

God I get tired of reading this bullshit in every thread about pve issues...

If anything, pvp server will make a guild even more of a requirement for holding camps, and make it even harder for a loner to get a shot at high value camps...

[Curmudgen]

Well after reading this I sure am bummed. I was figureing to get up to high enough level on my iksar necro to get over to the CoS camp and eventually get one before the nerf.

Seems that if its true that multiple guilds have designs to pass off to each other that the only hope is that the drop rate is quick enough for them all to get satisfied before the nerf time comes. Maybe then I could get in.

But.....then comes the "lets sell it" bunch. Between the guilds equipping their own, and stocking up to sell at the eventual inflated prices I just dont see my pickup group self having much of a chance. Bummer.

I will still go over there when level appropriate and hang around looking to join the group though. Who knows maybe 1 out of 100 times they will let me in.

What is level appropriate for that camp anyway? Group of low 30's? Mid thirties? It was never camped when I started playing as it was allready nerfed.

[Vendar]

Originally Posted by Curmudgen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well after reading this I sure am bummed. I was figureing to get up to high enough level on my iksar necro to get over to the CoS camp and eventually get one before the nerf.

Seems that if its true that multiple guilds have designs to pass off to each other that the only hope is that the drop rate is quick enough for them all to get satisfied before the nerf time comes. Maybe then I could get in.

But.....then comes the "lets sell it" bunch. Between the guilds equipping their own, and stocking up to sell at the eventual inflated prices I just dont see my pickup group self having much of a chance. Bummer.

I will still go over there when level appropriate and hang around looking to join the group though. Who knows maybe 1 out of 100 times they will let me in.

What is level appropriate for that camp anyway? Group of low 30's? Mid thirties? It was never camped when I started playing as it was allready nerfed.

do not be bummed, but do not act like your entitled or owed anything either (not saying u are, just sayin). I'm sure everyone will be able to camp a CoS eventually. as far as guilds passing to each other, thats just simply not true as most of the top guilds are in direct competition with each other. Honestly, if i were you, i woulda wait to randomguild001 only has 4 or 5 players in droga and then simply (and politely) ask if you could have a spot on the list in exchange for helping them hold down the camp. I have heard of 3 guilds (TMO, TR, Divinity) that have all allowed non guildies to join the group and acquire their items IF they are willing to help hold down the camp AND wait in line (obviously this means that people who come after you do not cut u in line). the kids that show up and expect to get the VERY NEXT drop are the ones that cause the problem and ruin it for the fine people like yourself.

dont like inflated prices? dont pay them.

as far as levels, i'd guess around 40+

honestly i wish you the best of luck, its a great item and the wait will only make you love it that much more. you'd be pleasantly surprised how far some kind words will get you.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Vendar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have heard of 3 guilds (TMO, TR, Divinity) that have all allowed non guildies to join the group and acquire their items IF they are willing to help hold down the camp AND wait in line (obviously this means that people who come after you do not cut u in line). the kids that show up and expect to get the VERY NEXT drop are the ones that cause the problem and ruin it for the fine people like yourself.

The weekend Vesica originally held the camp we almost exclusively had a non-guilded entity holding down one of the four "camps", too.

Bolded part is so true lol. In the day i was there i'd see 8-9 hour stretches where there was 0 idols/lockets/Cos's. Its certainly not something i'd ever want to go back and camp again. Place was a nightmare.

[Bassracerx]

what about a single file line of players most people see the situation and leave people that want the camp should just stay there. maybe even form groups and try to agress the mob before the campholders as by the current server rules?

players can make a single file line screenshot and then post pic on forums that lets the order. if the group camping needs an additional player to kill the mob they have to take SOMEONE from the line (not the last in line) if not they can 1 try to kill the spawn anyways if they wipe they lose the camp?

players should single file line infront of the camps and just let them know "hey im here and i got dibs when your done NOT your friend"

[Vendar]

Originally Posted by Bassracerx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what about a single file line of players most people see the situation and leave people that want the camp should just stay there. maybe even form groups and try to agress the mob before the campholders as by the current server rules?

players can make a single file line screenshot and then post pic on forums that lets the order. if the group camping needs an additional player to kill the mob they have to take SOMEONE from the line (not the last in line) if not they can 1 try to kill the spawn anyways if they wipe they lose the camp?

players should single file line infront of the camps and just let them know "hey im here and i got dibs when your done NOT your friend"

i laughed so fucking hard picturing 12 players standing in a line like a bunch of complete douchebags. heres why your utterly retarded idea fails.. class requirements dumbass. if you play a warrior and we need a healer, then im not inviting you, period. and if your smart ass reply is something along the lines of ''well then invite the next cleric'' i say fawk that. i would much rather pick a cleric that i know and trust over a stranger. what if Chantel was the next cleric in line? i'd feel safer with effing druid heals and would skip over the cleric in a second.

gawd you are fucking retarded too. go back to playing WoW if u want instanced dungeons so bad, this is Everquest, not EZmode!

thank you for your time, you may now go back to accumulating your tears.

[Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin]

Yesterday my mage friend and I were again spending our day in Droga when we found the CoS camp empty for the first time in weeks. We buffed and made up his pet, cleared the left bodyguard room and just as we were finished I was nuked by an add for the last bit of my health, and he had to gate.

By that time a group of the guild Divinity had arrived and must have seen what had happened. Euron sent me a tell and let me know he'd hold our room for us until we got back. Once my mage friend and I invis'd down and got to our room, Ninik (I apologize if I spelled your name wrong!) gave me a 90% rez and even buffed us AND the mage's pet.

Not only did we split the camp (we had the left room, half of middle and they had everything else including Rokgus) but they were civil, pleasant and extremely cooperative. We were able to spend the entire day sharing the camp.

Each group got one CoS by the time the server restarted for the second time that day and the Divinity group went to join a guild raid.

My mage friend and I both got a CoS by the end of the night, and by the time I left, the group had merged with the only other group in Droga who had asked to be in line for the camp, three people our level who were in a lower level guild.

I am very grateful to Euron, Ninik and the other members of Divinity. They were all exceedingly pleasant, cooperative and hospitable. They let us share the camp, something that we haven't been able to do since we began our adventure in Droga about a week ago.

Not only did they handle this the way I would have hoped a higher end guild in this community would, but they exceeded my expectations. The members of Divinity in Droga really went above and beyond to accommodate us lower levels in this very popular camp!

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