Game of Thrones

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there a character that brought a huge army to conquer Westeros but chose to save everyone instead?

Did she ever do anything bad? Did she, like Melisandre, burn people?

Look, we can get pedantic about what a redemption arc is if you really want Wonkie. I'm a Literature major, I can explain it to you all day.

But you're one of the smarter people on this forum. If you try (and I feel like instead you're trying not to) you can tell the difference between a cool character who isn't perfectly "good" all the time, and a character who makes a mistake, falls, suffers, learns from that suffering, and ultimately redeems themself.

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty for being a male. I'm male too, and I have no guilt. All I'm saying is that if I was a women, or a black man, or a gay man, or a black gay woman, I would want to see stories of people like me. As a white straight male, it would suck if every hero in every story was a female transvestite of color.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just one (currently eleven page) thread, of many, on a single 20-year old elf sim forum. There are many more, just here, and literally tens (hundreds?) of thousands of others out there on the web, all talking on this show.

So I guess what I meant was you can't do all this talking about a show on one hand and then pretend like "it's just some TV show, it doesn't matter for anything".

But again, why don't your daughters deserve to see redemption arcs of women on TV?

It wasn't a white Christian male doing all the winning so it ruined Throndor's night.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said you love your wife and daughters. Why don't they deserve to have heroes like them on TV with stories of redemption?

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

[Thorondor]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, we can get pedantic about what a redemption arc is if you really want Wonkie. I'm a Literature major, I can explain it to you all day.

But you're one of the smarter people on this forum. If you try (and I feel like instead you're trying not to) you can tell the difference between a cool character, and a character who falls, suffers, learns from that suffering, and ultimately redeems themself.

I believe Melissandre redeemed herself in the context of the story. Primarily subtextually, and through Davos' closing body language. Furthermore, in the context of her story, the redemption she seeks comes from the Lord of Light; not her adoptive father-judge-figure; the Onion Knight.

Theon, on the other hand, sought redemptions from the Starks. Bran merely aqcuiesced to that need knowing Theon's death was imminent.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

Women don't want epic stories about other women having the full human experience (eg. having redemption stories)? You need to hang out with more women Melon.

[Patriam1066]

I still want Sansa to win

What happened to dorne, desert peoples are always marginalized in western canon

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You all have a very strange way of looking at the world.

If this was a fantasy novel and the orcs were oppressing their slave elves, would you complain that the rebels are teaching the elves that they are inferior when they point out the fact that the elves are enslaved?

Women are inferior in our society. That's not even a debate, it's a fact. It used to be incredibly overt: they literally weren't allowed to vote for most of the history of democracy.

In the west, women were generally not given the right to vote because they were not equally holders of social responsibilities. The men had to go off and die in wars when called upon, not women. But your poor understanding of history is pretty irrelevant to this TV show.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But now it's a lot more subtle stuff ... like this article. If you're male, as I am, you can watch the most popular show on TV and see multiple stories about a man who fucks up, then becomes a better person and redeems himself. Similarly, you can see such stories repeated all over popular media (eg. Avengers). But if you're a women, you can't.

Have you ever considered that so many more of the male characters start off at the outset as giant screw ups/losers/assholes? Would GoT been better if all the men were ed starks/jon snows and all the women were cerseis but just one of those cerseis got a redemption plot? What do you think these feminazis would say to that show? It';s an AWFUL misogynistic shitshow; why are all the women are so HORRIBLE.Who cares if just one turned out to not be a terrible person. That's EXACTLY what they would fucking say.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you can't on one hand say that doesn't matter, and then at the same time talk about how significant Game of Thrones is for our culture. It matters that half our society doesn't get stories to look up to. And if you truly love your wives/daughters whoever you should want them to get to have characters they can look to in stories just like you have.

Feel free to preen yourself on twtter or wherever all the pseudo intellectual reprobates jack each other off these days, but don't expect me to join in on your circle jerk.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please. Do you even understand what a redemption arc is? Hint: it's what Theo got (a story) and not what Melisandre got (nothing).

Hint: Melisandre was a lot more important player than Theon. And Melisandre got exaclty what she wanted and left on her own terms. Theon died a speed bump on someone else's plot highway. i don't think you've even read the books or watched the show, frankly.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Women don't want epic stories about other women having the full human experience (eg. having redemption stories)? You need to hang out with more women Melon.

No, of course they want that. Try again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Thorondor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

Most women want to WIN the Hero. They don't want to be the hero. Last thing most women ever want to hear from a man/potential lover is "I need you".

Women need to be wanted. Men want to be needed.

Loramin, quit attempting to superimpose YOUR VIEWS onto all women, like you are someone qualified to speak on behalf of all of them.

Most of the "women" writing these junk articles are beastly cat ladies that haven't had a proper fucking their entire lives; primarily because of bitchmade men like yourself.

[Wonkie]

Redemption doesn't make sense for Mel, she's a religious zealot. Dany is a better redemption story, what with the crucifixions and burning those who challenge her rule.

e: it just sucks emilia clarke is a shitty actress so this probably wont happen