TAK project.

[Torven]

Originally Posted by Bleepo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disciplines work just fine, and who needs boats when you got Translocators.

P2002 got disciplines when Cavedude put them in and you pulled our code, which was after your half-assed Kunark launch that was so hastily done that you failed to include Korocust until 6 months after you launched it.

Originally Posted by Bleepo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P2002 has more than double TAK's population because they use the superior client, and that's without artificially inflating player numbers with extra bazaar boxes.

You're hilariously dishonest Iance. While you were spamming message boards to shill your server, you were highlighting the fact that it was using our older client. Then when you were forced to switch to Titanium, you started calling it superior. You guys would have never switched clients if you didn't have to.

Our server numbers separate Bazaar accounts from active accounts. You guys are the ones who don't do this.

[Linkamus]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We did discuss adding mousewheel camera. I wouldn't object to this personally if I could somehow know that it would get us significantly more players, but I would hate to compromise on this for nothing. TAKP devs disagree on many issues and this is one of them however.

You should take a poll on the TAKP forums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

[ibetweenk]

Originally Posted by Femm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every person I know who considered/tried TAK, including those of us who went to al kabor don’t currently due to the client; specifically mouse wheel. Minor stuff like tab targeting working. But it’s the scroll mainly. I just can’t spend more than half an hour there now due to inability to scroll.

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[Raev]

Originally Posted by Torven

Frankly playing AK from P99 for me wasn't that big a deal

So you played on AK despite the client, not because of it. Same here. I can deal with the TAKP client, but I would absolutely prefer something more polished. I just checked and P2002 has 171 boxes online vs TAKP's 102 (both numbers including traders). If P2002 is as buggy as you say and their primary appeal is the titanium client . . . it's working.

Also, just to be clear, I am not proposing that you switch. It shouldn't be THAT hard to support both clients if the server code isn't a massive pile of spaghetti. I do think it's kind of cool to support the original client that gives a true classic EQ experience, and you can keep the current TAKP server instance for those that prefer the exact AK conditions.

Finally, Project 1999 has 600 real players online, crushing both 2002 and TAKP. So that suggests to me that boxing is the single biggest issue.

I really think if you launched a PoP emu that supported the titanium client and prohibited boxing (except for say trader accounts) you would get 1K users easily.

[Haynar]

Blah blah blah

P02 is fine. They have newer client. Instanced raid zones, so progression for all raiding guilds is faster.

Takp is fine. No instancing.

Because instancing basically spreads people out more, their populations wont feel much different.

Because of no instancing, and player run raid rotations, takp is a slower pace overall.

Want BiS? Go p02.

Want somewhere casual? Can have that both places.

Want PoP now? Go P02.

Want Luclin in July, and PoP like a year or two from now? Go takp.

Want Titanium? Go p02.

Want a true 2002 era client? Go takp.

[Torven]

Hmm, I didn't realize our forum 'total players' number included bazaar mules. That's kind of depressing. At least we list the bazaar count so you know how many of those are mules.

There are other reasons for the population disparities. Having AAs vs. not having AAs is significant. P2002 also is using p99's fame to their advantage. Rob had considered that name years ago but didn't want to 'leech' from p99's success in that way. TAKP devs also don't shill our server. Most users can't tell if mob stats were pulled out of somebody's ass or carefully parsed, either. I'm sure many p02 users found that server first due to the shilling and the name, and didn't realize TAKP existed until later (if at all); but once you invest the time to a server it's difficult to switch.

I agree that boxing is likely limiting our overall population. This cannot be changed without dramatically alienating our existing users so it's just not going to happen.

[Raev]

There is nothing wrong with what you guys are doing now if it makes you happy. I am only trying to help Torven, who complained earlier that TAKP has a relatively low population despite its high quality implementation. I can understand wanting more people to enjoy the huge amount of development work.

Also, I am not proposing limiting boxing on the current TAKP server instance. You'd have to launch a new server instance, like P99 Red and Blue. That way both groups of players (and developers) can be satisfied.

P.S. I manually added TAKP's forum player + bazaar mules counts.

[Torven]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you played on AK despite the client, not because of it. Same here.

I actually prefer TAKP's client to all others. Titanium comes with the new tradeskill UI (yuck) melody (very not classic and OP) no human night blindness, farther underwater vision etc. Removing some of that is possible (and only because Haynar later joined us) but I still prefer our client. I never used mousewheel camera.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is nothing wrong with what you guys are doing now if it makes you happy.

To be honest I was kind of crushed when 3 boxing barely won out over 2 in our vote, because it meant I wasn't going to play on the server I have now spent 5 years of my life working on. (lately I have played a tiny bit, but not very much) Even if I were made server dictator at this point, I wouldn't change the limit though. Boxing aside, I'm very pleased with the quality of our product.

There is nothing wrong with being in the minority that wants a boxing server, but my strong preference is limited to 2 or 1. Back when this was being discussed, the community had come from AK and PEQ where no limits existed, so they really weren't even thinking much about it and the possibility of no limit at all for TAKP was significant. As I recall, I was the one who brought the issue to discussion. I'm fairly sure 2 boxes would have won had they known what they know now.

[Linkamus]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm fairly sure 2 boxes would have won had they known what they know now.

Which is why I don't think there would be a massive uproar if it was change to two. Sure some people might be upset. But I hardly think it would cause an exodus. In fact it could potentially bring more players.

Back then I voted for 3, and I regret it now. As much as I love playing my trio for exp / questing, I think two is a better balance for the raid scene.

[Haynar]

If you are into trying to make urself depressed. Go look at numbers on a wow emu. But be careful. Might slit ur own wrists.