Sky - Overseer of Air

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said "if you were inclined", not "it is my opinion".

My opinion is Rustle should have considered what they were advised (Princess is on a 6 hour timer so they would delay AG's scheduled raid by killing her) and either left Noble up or paid their way to 1.5.

However, I believe it is important to try represent both sides to a story, which is why I felt compelled to mention that AG were aware Noble was due and had plenty of keyed characters who could have engaged Noble on 1.5; by failing to act on these facts they gave Rustle the opportunity to clear 1.5 in chase of Noble.

I'll also restate, for the sake of fairness to Rustle,

1) they spent a lot of time, effort and sky ports (plat) trying to pull Noble to isle 1.
and
2) apparently believed princess was on a 3 hour timer so AG's evening wouldn't be delayed

Maner, thank you for your feedback that I seem idiotic. I'll try to communicate more clearly and logically in the future, and put more effort into proof reading what I have written.

This entire thread is about guilds going up to sky for a noble and killing island one, when it is NOT their day. It is not AGs job to reschedule their raid because a noble is due when decency says you don't clear sky if its someones scheduled day. The amount of time and effort they spent is irrelevant, all they had to do was show up and buy keys and NONE of this would have been a problem.

People aren't complaining about not getting nobles they are complaining about other guilds interfering with their scheduled days. If you're up there and a noble spawns then that is great, however there are a couple of these groups who go up when it is not their day and clear island one for keys.

AGs problem wasn't that rustle killed the noble, its that they killed island one and screwed them over. Rustle shouldn't have killed island one, they should have just bought keys and there wouldn't have been a problem.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This entire thread is about guilds going up to sky for a noble and killing island one, when it is NOT their day. It is not AGs job to reschedule their raid because a noble is due when decency says you don't clear sky if its someones scheduled day. The amount of time and effort they spent is irrelevant, all they had to do was show up and buy keys and NONE of this would have been a problem.

People aren't complaining about not getting nobles they are complaining about other guilds interfering with their scheduled days. If you're up there and a noble spawns then that is great, however there are a couple of these groups who go up when it is not their day and clear island one for keys.

AGs problem wasn't that rustle killed the noble, its that they killed island one and screwed them over. Rustle shouldn't have killed island one, they should have just bought keys and there wouldn't have been a problem.

I'm really confused because your tone seems to be that of disagreement, but your content seems to align almost exactly to what I was saying.

Let me check we are on the same page.

1) guilds should not be inconvenienced by having other forces clear isle 1 within 6 hours of the start of their sky raid.

2) if a force wants to kill a noble on a day other than their own they should either use pre-parked / pre-keyed characters or buy keys.

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid, which I actually find hard to believe, but it was their defence at the time) those two points above were my key points and on which we seem to agree.

I also agree to your last note that no one should have a problem with other forces killing Noble (ruleswise) unless they also mess up isle 1, etc. Noble is currently FFA.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid...

This should read "they thought they WEREN'T ...."

oops

[Khaall Drogo]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really confused because your tone seems to be that of disagreement, but your content seems to align almost exactly to what I was saying.

Let me check we are on the same page.

1) guilds should not be inconvenienced by having other forces clear isle 1 within 6 hours of the start of their sky raid.

2) if a force wants to kill a noble on a day other than their own they should either use pre-parked / pre-keyed characters or buy keys.

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid, which I actually find hard to believe, but it was their defence at the time) those two points above were my key points and on which we seem to agree.

I also agree to your last note that no one should have a problem with other forces killing Noble (ruleswise) unless they also mess up isle 1, etc. Noble is currently FFA.

I just want to say that The Second Sons and Veloci Shift have been doing PoS on our scheduled raid time Thursday night for going on 3 months. We have worked hard together to make this a successful raid every week for us.

1)Out of the 12 or so times we have done Sky, 10 if not MORE of those times, either <Novae> has cleared PoS with in several hours AFTER 12pm CST, or some guild attempting to either FTE Noble or interrupt the guilds who ARE trying to FTE noble have cleared island 1. We have often had to deal with paying our own way up, trying to figure out what order the island were cleared and when before us. I will take a moment here to say that ever since I started discussing the issue with <Novae> They have been 100% honorable and respectful. They always tell me what they plan on doing in Sky, When they can do it, and they have even left Islands up just for us before. HOWEVER

2)<Rustle> and others have REPEATEDLY KILLED SOME OR ALL OF ISLAND 1 in an attempt to FTE or to screw each other over and get noble. Now the Noble has been popping in our Raid window for weeks. We have even had 30+ ppl ready to to leave w.e island we are at to go get noble when he pops. Though due to guild camping toons out ON NOBLE spawn we have yet to even fight a noble one time.

Originally Posted by dennardscott86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Call me the Blind Warrior.

I would not be surprised if PoS starts becoming blind one OOA at a time.

[Skew]

Please for the love of God ban Rustle from Sky.


Skew <Rustle>

[Erati]

I have two Efreeti War Mauls in my bank right now I will gladly give away if it will solve some of this issue with Dojorn

[gildor]

I think a pair of knuckles delivered in unmarked bag directly to me would suffice

[Swish]

Sounds like theres schenanigans afoot, I might have to get a port up there to keep an eye on who is coming and going.

[Sadiki]

Swish confirmed coming to Blue. Thread successful.

[Laemeth]

Sorry Savok I did not want accused either AG or ANON but just pointed the fact that island 1 was empty at our arriving on PoS.

Thank you on behalf of our paladine for the noble loots.

Btw I was on my wiz when we communicate together by tell.