Not My President - The Unity Question

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it don't excuse it, but it don't make what you said true either. I think the use of concussion grenades should be thoroughly reviewed after this. I had no idea they could produce this sort of result, though it stands to reason. I would hope the officers were aware. There should be an investigation and one would hope that the media does its part in making people aware of what can happen. It's a sad story :c

Local sheriff is denying it was them. Father of girl says doctor has removed shrapnel from her arm and keeping it as evidence. Cops also said they didnt use water cannons on protesters and footage can be easily found everywhere. Nothing can turn this around besides public opinion. I feel its tragic, honestly, without trolling, that so many white americans are blind to the notion that someday this militarized police shit, theyre also going to taste it. First they came for...

[Tradesonred]

I gotta say its encouraging to see some military people, people that arent sterotypically "hippies" or leftists taking some stances on the violation of people rights http://miniplanet.us/veterans-deploy...us-government/

[Supreme]

Meh stop generalizing and allowing the extreme minority voice to represent the majority.

[Whirled]

I had heard about that incident with the girls arm being fragged. Sad to hear of such violence when it is totally avoidable. I will add that a NJ radio station mentioned that the protestors had propane tanks they were using and they are blaming it on that. They also state that the guards & riot police at that particular function did not have the grenades that the protestors are saying blasted her arm up.
If I find a link I'll share but it was one of those Democratic news radio stations. I want to say NPR, but not 100%.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Local sheriff is denying it was them. Father of girl says doctor has removed shrapnel from her arm and keeping it as evidence. Cops also said they didnt use water cannons on protesters and footage can be easily found everywhere. Nothing can turn this around besides public opinion. I feel its tragic, honestly, without trolling, that so many white americans are blind to the notion that someday this militarized police shit, theyre also going to taste it. First they came for...

I agree with you that militarization of police forces is a particularly disturbing development and have to strongly question why the police would have concussion grenades at all. Stun grenades? Sure. Concussion grenades though. Just doesn't seem right. I was thinking a concussion grenade was a stun grenade when you first mentioned it, but see that it is not.

On the otherhand, throwing shit at people with weapons is just stupid because they are people too and if they feel threatened, they are going to respond. The response must be enough to immediately halt aggression or you will see much more damage of persons and property. Obviously police should not have concussion grenades to respond with. If a situation rises to the level that they are necessary (pretty fucking high), the national guard should be there.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes its an appeal to emotion. Cops ripped apart a 21 yo girl's arm to dissuade people from protesting a pipeline that puts at risk the clean water of millions of people. Just to outline the hypocrisy of people here talking about freedom this freedom that but excuse rights crushing cops at any chance they get.

Its not Keystone XL by the way. Its the DAPL pipeline.

sorry i was multitasking shitposting on a few websites and crossed wires in my brain.

emotion != logic

what i'm trying to say is, you can't just use "something bad happened to a protestor" to strawman a discussion about how Standing Rock Sioux tribal leaders and Obama fucked off this issue leading it to get to this point in the first place.

nobody is disagreeing with you that the way the police are handling protestors is fucked up. it's not like i haven't seen the videos either. stop trying to strawman me.

i was pointing out the impact on oil dependence in the middle east because it showcases the fact that you've been shoehorned into a narrow and emotion-driven view of a greater issue. Just pointing out the irony behind the emotional appeal from some girl's arm getting blown off by a less-lethal while ignoring the greater global impact of US dependence on foreign oil. but hey let's not think about the people who are being killed every day and subjected to the tyrannical rule of tribal warlords as a direct result of Obama's actions and a dependence on middle east oil just because they aren't the right shade of brown to tug at your heartstrings or far enough away to pretend they don't exist.

the police handling of the protests and the pipeline itself are two separate issues. in your mind you're "right" because you have tunnel vision. in reality, the pipeline is good and the polices' handling of the protest is bad. you're suggesting that both ideas are inclusive, when they have nothing to do with each other. pointing out "cops did fucked up things to the protestors" doesn't make the protesters right. you're giving them a martyr complex. stop it.

[Angushjalmur]

Peaceful protests are legal

Don't do stupid shit, don't get treated like a stupid shit.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what i'm trying to say is, you can't just use "something bad happened to a protestor" to strawman a discussion about how Standing Rock Sioux tribal leaders and Obama fucked off this issue leading it to get to this point in the first place.

I wasnt doing that, i was just responding to part of your post. If you want me to criticize the Obama administration i can do that all day.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasnt doing that, i was just responding to part of your post. If you want me to criticize the Obama administration i can do that all day.

You implied I have an ideaology bias (strawman) and used an appeal to emotion to sidetrack a conversation about how those pipeline protests came to be in the first place.

2 seconds on google and you can see every mainstream news outlet except fox trying their hardest to spin these protest to be trump's fault. which is easy to do because they're protesting his stance on the pipeline. the thing is, the only reason the situation was allowed to get this far in the first place is obama + their own tribal leaders. in the case of the concussion grenade arm girl, you can also lay blame on that place's local law enforcement. note the timing of obama's veto, he wasn't going to veto if hillary won and hillary's private stance was quite clearly pro-pipeline evidenced by the emails i linked earlier. not to mention all the holes that have been poked in the environmentalism angle obama's taking. it was a calculated political move to force Trump into inheriting a publicly unpopular wedge issue.

another big lie the standing rock sioux & social media is spreading is that the government never tried working with the tribe, when in reality they were given a fuck load of chances to voice their concerns about their water supply, propose reroutes etc and didn't even bother showing up to the meetings.

no sympathy except for the actual protestors who were knowingly put at risk through the negligence of their own tribal leaders due to their own incompetence. their leaders failed them.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who the fuck is this guy. who are any of these people from this last week.

these 50-200 post accounts from 2 or more years ago are coming out of the damn woodwork. we got a real psycho on our hands here.

Yeah, state's rights, F ing craziness... unless we are discussing sanctuary cities, or states that want to legalize pot. Then it is the poor and oppressed taking a stance against "the man"

Or lets discuss voter suppression... asking for a F ing ID when voting is racist... but it is perfectly legit to demand a six month waiting period and a thorough background check when someone wants to buy a gun - no, that is not racist or misogynist at all. What about when buying booze, or getting on a plane? Is it racist to ask for a F ing ID then?