Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[Goliathan]

Originally Posted by Relbaic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems simple until Siren comes in and rules thay FTE is king and other guilds need to gtfo.

I know absolutely nothing about the raid politics interaction with GMs. I don't know the details beyond what I've read here. I raided in pop and luclin. Was never really interested prior.

Whatever the reason was for Sirken making the call id guess it made sense at the time because that was the word of the law. There was no clause. It would have been a "moral" decision for lack of a better word to tell them no you forfeit due to the fact you're killing other targets in other zones with none on KT.

It would make sense for this rule to be amended to not allow this situation. The raid meeting happened and in less than 48 hours we have loopholing. Which is good because it exposes the exploitable flaws but to defend the loophole is lol.

I'm sure Sirken knows what he's doing and hindsight is 20/20

[falkun]

I like Siren better. Its loud, whiny, and when driving down the road gets what it wants. It seems to fit that sentence just fine, Relb.

[Euth]

All these comments about the "spirit of the rule" are truly adorable. Please continue not realizing that spirit of the rule doesn't matter on this server and never will. You either followed the rule as it's written or you didn't. Aftermath did, tears ensue.

[Goliathan]

Originally Posted by Euth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these comments about the "spirit of the rule" are truly adorable. Please continue not realizing that spirit of the rule doesn't matter on this server and never will. You either followed the rule as it's written or you didn't. Aftermath did, tears ensue.

Your neckbeard must be majestic. Or maybe you just wish it was and cannot grow past the neck peach fuzz stage. Who knows! However attitudes like you're are why threads like this occur.

[falkun]

And if you are talking the mythical creature, it lures men out into the ocean to die promising a better future, which still fits. You picked well.

[falkun]

Sirken doesn't have a clue. The loophole was pointed out by the same guild that exploited it last night a full week ago, yet it was not handled until it became an issue.
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Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

20 minutes to engage kt imo

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Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long are we assuming the winning guild has to engage statue or kt? Is it unlimited?

Why do we have to utilize hindsight when forethought caught this?

[falkun]

@Euth: Then why do the GM's keep proselytizing the "spirit of the rule"?

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear, and anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions that go against the spirit of the rules posted here will not be rewarded.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3) you can try to rule lawyer, but ill enforce the spirit of the rule regardless of how you try to twist/lawyer the words.

Here's a fantastic one specifically regarding stalling:

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and when people submit frivolous petitions based on rule lawyering or split hairs, im not even going to deal with them unless i feel the spirit of the rule was broken, and that a guild actually engaged to prevent another guild from engaging.

And another that's in line with using Skype/Twitch to allow everyone to track:

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing this, figuratively takes a big old dump on the entire purpose for the Staff telling the players we don’t want them poopsocking the raid spawn locations. We also do not want KoS trackers to be able to get afk FTE’s, as we feel this is more in line with using autofire, than it is in the spirit of the rules set forth, rules that, I will remind you, were all agreed on by the players.

Sirken wants the spirit of the rule enforced, then he actually asserts Aftermath's claim on KT and Statue while Aftermath had ZERO characters in zone? Sirken's going GreenGrocer on this server, but he still has power.

[Euth]

And Sirken's thoughts on this spirit rule in question?

[Goliathan]

Originally Posted by Euth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And Sirken's thoughts on this spirit rule in question?

Apparently it was fine. To me it seems silly but it doesn't impact me in the least. It may in the future. We will see if it gets any further clarification. To me zero in zone should = no claim on target in zone. It just seems like basic common sense.

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Euth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And Sirken's thoughts on this spirit rule in question?

Based on last night, I think it's safe to say he has changed his mind.