Is FAT exploiting Ring War for free Dains?

[XDrake]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was the case and people were attempting to crash others on purpose then yes, that is an issue and obviously raid interference. However Trollol's claim that people were casting near by doesn't prove shit, sorry.

FAT is actively attempting to beat the ring war every time they turn it in. The last one failed on the last 8-10 giants before the named and the end of the war, the one before that was on the 2nd to last wave. They are not turning in the declaration and then just going to Icewell to wait for the dain, which would be an obvious exploit.

So if solid evidence comes up of either of these things you'll publicly apologize?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Although what he is claiming he cant prove and never happened. FAT never tried to intentionally desync anyone. In fact the next day when BDA and rampage weren't even there people were still disconnecting and desynching from the zone. Unless you can prove that FAT can desync only BDA while not crashing themselves then you are just making up excuses and blaming others instead of the server and its inability to handle over 100 people in certain zones. If it was the case and people were attempting to crash others on purpose then yes, that is an issue and obviously raid interference. However Trollol's claim that people were casting near by doesn't prove shit, sorry.

FAT is actively attempting to beat the ring war every time they turn it in. The last one failed on the last 8-10 giants before the named and the end of the war, the one before that was on the 2nd to last wave. They are not turning in the declaration and then just going to Icewell to wait for the dain, which would be an obvious exploit.

1: I openly admit that I cannot 100% prove that FAT is exploiting. You know what you did isn't something we can prove. If I had rock solid proof I wouldn't be here I'd be submitting it to staff.

2: You obviously can't desync only BDA. But if BDA has the FTE and you desync EVERYONE then BDA wipes and the other guilds (Who aren't engaged) will not die and still have full buffs.etc and be prepared to get their own FTE/Attempt. Is this difficult to understand?

3: You have to attempt to win the ring war so it looks good. If you didn't attempt at all you know you'd get in trouble with staff.

[Sweettouch]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On a side note, the last attempt failed with ~8 giants left in the last wave before the named boss. So the event is actually able to be completed. Its not like FAT is just handing in the trigger papers then zoning into thurg B to wait for Dain, at which point it would be a clear exploit

Got to actually try to do it so you don't get banned right?

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1: I openly admit that I cannot 100% prove that FAT is exploiting. You know what you did isn't something we can prove. If I had rock solid proof I wouldn't be here I'd be submitting it to staff.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So they are actively attempting the ring war so they don't get in trouble with the staff yet you are still upset they are actively attempting the ring war?

How is another guild supposed to be ready to engage on BDAs wipe if half of their raid is desynched?

So you admit that you have no proof other than your assumptions. Yet you think that is enough to make public accusations against another guild?

Actively attempting when you know you won't win in order to receive free Dain spawn*

Desync has collateral damage. But the alternative is BDA would have killed Dain so you had to do what you had to do. The strategy ended up working out in your favor so obviously it works.

I have what I saw with my own eyes and what MANY other people saw. I was sent tells from multiple people that night saying "Wtf did they really just do that?" but you keep on pretending I'm the one that's wrong for making "accusations"

[Sweettouch]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you are actually attempting it then what is the problem? its not FATs fault that the current coding respawns the dain upon a failure, or that the ring war trigger mob is on a 2.5 hour respawn instead of 3 days. You realize that it is still a large investment of time to try to finish the war rather than just let the first wave end it, right?

When that patch hit that broke raid bosses, BDA killed mobs and claimed it wasn't an exploit to kill raid mobs whose coding had been messed up since they weren't the ones who broke it. While a few guilds saw that everything was bugged and refrained from killing anything until it was fixed. LOL in fact BDA claimed they were just testing it the next day when they got called out on the raid forums.

Seems to me, that if this was a bug it was reported months ago, more than enough time for it have been taken out, fixed or just disabled. However it wasn't, so there is obviously a reason it is being kept this way at the moment.

Trying it two days in a row when you know it is unwinnable then standing in thurgb to feed your shitty alliance pixels is very obvious unless you are retarded

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you are actually attempting it then what is the problem? its not FATs fault that the current coding respawns the dain upon a failure, or that the ring war trigger mob is on a 2.5 hour respawn instead of 3 days. You realize that it is still a large investment of time to try to finish the war rather than just let the first wave end it, right?

When that patch hit that broke raid bosses, BDA killed mobs and claimed it wasn't an exploit to kill raid mobs whose coding had been messed up since they weren't the ones who broke it. While a few guilds saw that everything was bugged and refrained from killing anything until it was fixed. LOL in fact BDA claimed they were just testing it the next day when they got called out on the raid forums.

Seems to me, that if this was a bug it was reported months ago, more than enough time for it have been taken out, fixed or just disabled. However it wasn't, so there is obviously a reason it is being kept this way at the moment.

Ohh knockout punch

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you are actually attempting it then what is the problem? its not FATs fault that the current coding respawns the dain upon a failure, or that the ring war trigger mob is on a 2.5 hour respawn instead of 3 days. You realize that it is still a large investment of time to try to finish the war rather than just let the first wave end it, right?

When that patch hit that broke raid bosses, BDA killed mobs and claimed it wasn't an exploit to kill raid mobs whose coding had been messed up since they weren't the ones who broke it. While a few guilds saw that everything was bugged and refrained from killing anything until it was fixed. LOL in fact BDA claimed they were just testing it the next day when they got called out on the raid forums.

Seems to me, that if this was a bug it was reported months ago, more than enough time for it have been taken out, fixed or just disabled. However it wasn't, so there is obviously a reason it is being kept this way at the moment.

I wasn't there the night BDA killed that stuff. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I believe every target BDA killed that day was a mob that we have killed many times before easily. So it's not as if we wouldn't have been able to do it otherwise. Nor was it a situation where we were spawning more targets than should have been allowed to game more pixels out of the system. Not exactly a comparable situation pal.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you just think BDA would have killed dain. Nothing in BDA's track record supports this assumption.

Except for the fact that we HAVE killed Dain multiple times? More than we can say for our buddies in Asgard that are apparently so high above us /eyeroll

[Pint]

best part about these bda rnf thread are that you know bda members walk away with that same feeling of not really having accomplished anything that they get when they walk away from kunark dragon corpse 4 months into velious