Terror attack in Charleston

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would banning guns save lives? Most certainly it would. Like I said, however, fixing the American diet would save far more.

Control yourself, Not others

This is where your argument falls apart. People can control their own diet. People can't control other people shooting them so much.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where your argument falls apart. People can control their own diet. People can't control other people shooting them so much.

That's certainly true, but wasn't why I ended my comment with that line. I was basically saying that I don't believe others have the right to take my legally owned guns, that I've had NONVIOLENTLY for my entire adult life, because they're afraid. We have to find a balance between freedom and security, and I will always come down on the side of the former. I really don't think we can ban everything that is dangerous. I do agree that banning guns would save lives, however. I just think that becomes irrelevant when you consider that banning cars, sugar, meat, etc, would make our lives safer as well. It's like when the NSA tells me that I should give up my 4th Amendment right so that they can protect me. No thanks.

Some guy in Austria just ran a bunch of people over in a car. The sad truth is, despite our best efforts, we'll never be safe from one another. I'd like to own a gun so that, if a sociopath like the idiot over in Vienna and the one in Charleston ever attack me, I can put them down. I hope that that never happens, but I'd like to have the ability to defend myself.

[Pokesan]

Right, I have to solve every other problem in the world before we can even approach fixing gun violence. You agree that it would save lives, what's your problem?

I'm with you on your public health concerns, but I fear you are being contrary for its own sake. If this turns out to be true, I will not hesitate to call you a major fucker.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fixing gun violence.

Perhaps your focus is too narrow.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps your focus is too narrow.

I'm not against all forms of violence. For example, I would applaud violence done to your stupid fat face.

fuck off kagatob

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not against all forms of violence. For example, I would applaud violence done to your stupid fat face.

fuck off kagatob

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[fastboy21]

the racist thing isn't the issue. the shooting murdering people for any reason is a big one.

its an election season in the US...this is being setup to be a prime sounding board for all kinds of issues. race, freedom of speech, religion, gun control, mental health issues, and more...even the more savvy politicians know not to touch it too much too soon or it looks phony. so sad.

in any case, this guy is going away because he is a crazy murderer; not because he is a racist.

[Rogean]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

The occasions when an armed citizen shoots the assailant with a legally owned gun doesn't make the news since it doesn't fit into certain people's political agenda.

[Hijiri]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

As a combat vet and FAST platoon member let me just say 'no thanks'.

People who think that they can shoot an armed attacker (talking small arms here) without hitting others,nobody or everybody doesn't understand some basic principles of today's currently sold rounds and what is actually envolved in hitting your target at the far end of your effective range.

Edit- ps don't ban me !1!1!!!