Play Nice Policy/LNS/RvR needs overhaul before Velious

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Gardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean we're both bringing our own perspective here. You almost always win so of course you're looking to make that count for more.

I'm trying to get the new folks engaged and pvping. So of course I would like to see my people able to lick their wounds and move on. Smaller guilds don't have extras of some key classes so losing a few people can end their day as they can't afford to just leave corpses and move on.

The current rules were made to reflect the inability of other guilds to compete with Nihilum. And it's been shown that is through all the fault of their own (poor leadership).

Smaller guilds should be led by their leaders to take risks within their means, not be led by rules to engage stronger guilds haphazardly and half-heartedly, only to walk away unscathed.

No one in their right mind would engage Empire by themselves. I'd even argue that Fresh, especially right now in its incipient stages, would learn almost nothing by engaging a guild like us in mass PvP. The gear gap and skill level of the average member is way too vast. In normal, everyday skirmish fights? Sure. But not in mass PvP.

[krazyGlue]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The current rules were made to reflect the inability of other guilds to compete with Nihilum. And it's been shown that is through all the fault of their own (poor leadership).

Smaller guilds should be led by their leaders to take risks within their means, not be led by rules to engage stronger guilds haphazardly and half-heartedly, only to walk away unscathed.

No one in their right mind would engage Empire by themselves. I'd even argue that Fresh, especially right now in its incipient stages, would learn almost nothing by engaging a guild like us in mass PvP. The gear gap and skill level of the average member is way too vast. In normal, everyday skirmish fights? Sure. But not in mass PvP.

voted no

[Guide.Chroma]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The current rules were made to reflect the inability of other guilds to compete with Nihilum. And it's been shown that is through all the fault of their own (poor leadership).

Smaller guilds should be led by their leaders to take risks within their means, not be led by rules to engage stronger guilds haphazardly and half-heartedly, only to walk away unscathed.

No one in their right mind would engage Empire by themselves. I'd even argue that Fresh, especially right now in its incipient stages, would learn almost nothing by engaging a guild like us in mass PvP. The gear gap and skill level of the average member is way too vast. In normal, everyday skirmish fights? Sure. But not in mass PvP.

Experience for the driver and their drivees is never a waste. They more practiced they are in buffing, gathering, assisting right, etc the better. Whether the rules were placed with that sort of intention, I don't think it's negative. The big guild gets to experience PvP instead of playing elves by themselves, and the small guild gets a chance at an upset.

[Lime]

Originally Posted by Guide.Chroma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Experience for the driver and their drivees is never a waste. They more practiced they are in buffing, gathering, assisting right, etc the better. Whether the rules were placed with that sort of intention, I don't think it's negative. The big guild gets to experience PvP instead of playing elves by themselves, and the small guild gets a chance at an upset.

Upsets are not very possible with current policies. If you were to wipe Empire in NTOV this only affords you a 1 hour window. Raiding in NTOV will be a multiday 12 plus hour Marathon session. With current policy you will have to defeat Empire 12+ times, when you should be able to kill them once and corpse camp them all night. The odds of a smaller force repelling a bigger force 12+ times is very low.

The worst part of this is that they can call LNS and camp out in NTOV and wait to ambush you at the next boss after LNS expires. You will have no ability to deny access to the enemy going deeper inside the zone and camping to ambush you as they fly the LNS flag under current policies.

I also don't think you can fault people for finding loopholes in the rules, as the rules themselves currently are so vague and randomly enforced it is hard to define what the rules actually are. Technically under the current system attacking Empire while raiding could be interpreted as attempted experience loss, zone disruption, and account punishable. Your policies need to be fully revamped and defined in a way that is not open to individual CSR interpretation of how they feel about the issue.

[Masq]

There just needs to be actual repercussions for breaking the policy and you wouldn't have 5000 petitions. Getting suspended on a single account means nothing when everyone here is a turbonerd with multiple guild accounts for people to use.

Start laying down some real punishment.

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by Lime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The worst part of this is that they can call LNS and camp out in NTOV and wait to ambush you at the next boss after LNS expires. You will have no ability to deny access to the enemy going deeper inside the zone and camping to ambush you as they fly the LNS flag under current policies.

Camping is not LNSing and has been defined as such by sirken. Doing so forfeits your guilds LNS. The closest zone you could camp out in would maybe be DN as WW is considered adjacent.

[Buhbuh]

luckily your dyslexia and having no rational thoughts puts your opinion lower on the totem pole than anyone else here on the forums

[krazyGlue]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

luckily your dyslexia and having no rational thoughts puts your opinion lower on the totem pole than anyone else here on the forums

sick burn dog . but i still vote no

[Guido]

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[vouss]

Originally Posted by Lime

Your policies need to be fully revamped and defined in a way that is not open to individual CSR interpretation of how they feel about the issue.

Recently had a conversation or two with Sirken about this and he called me a nerd and told me to stop trying to twisting rules, with no contribution to the conversation otherwise, good luck!