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[Rararboker]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand you guys don't want to mass recruit because you get a bunch of shitty players in doing that. I respect that, my guild on blue used to be very selective as well but in order to keep up with everyone else you just have to make it easier to get in and teach your recruits to be good players. Think of it as a baseball farm system, bring prospects up through the minors, treat them well and they will become good & loyal players for your team.
Adding variance won't fix it and if you aren't prepared to do that then your current situation will remain.

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Actually did learn a lot from you guys. Great guys all around.

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

<3

Actually did learn a lot from you guys. Great guys all around.

Thanks Mij that means a lot.

Epicheals and I play red a lot lately he's on a 43 cleric and I am 45 on my monk. I run around as Elzhi on red if you ever want to play with my crappily geared monk.

[laowllol]

To an outsider, meaning a player who has been here a while and isn't in the raid scene, this whole thread just sounds like a bunch of children yelling. I know shits classic, but if anything has an effect on the population its all the childishness.

Holo, should not be forced to compromise their recruitment strategy. That's not even enforceable. Perhaps they need little more control over their members, and some more mature leaders. Those two things will decrease the chance of being punished for breaking rules, and keep them form engaging in petition quest.

AZ doesn't need to recruit more or even compromise their elitist attitude. They need better strategy and more patients, because playing petition quest isn't the answer for damn sure.

Here is my suggestion to AZ. Build better alliances...

Bat phone the folks that share your hate for the zerg. Use that combined strength to compete with Holo. If you can win a force LnS against Holo, you have won one fight and its on to the next.

Your allies should be fully aware that once Holo is down and out, they will still have to compete for the raid target.

You can't just force your enemies into disbanding their guild because you don't want to recruit the same way they do. That is retarded.

We don't need more rules! We don't need more petitions! You guys got to understand that Sirken has been bending over backwards to help the server out, and he is not trying to fire shots at anyone.

Sirken, you had the right idea but it may have been a bit sloppy on the delivery.

I'll try to polish if I may: Holo, you are recruiting a little more than you can handle. I think you are getting punished, because you can't communicate to members the proper way to compete for raids under the LnS and PnP. AZ, find a different strategy because you can't tell Holo how to recruit or win 60v20 60v30 or billionVfew.

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another thing, get the fuck out of here with the notion that twinks killing noobs (and groups) in rags is pvp.

No! LnS bitches, Norrath is big enough and twinks will always happen. Unless you want level req. on gear. That shit is not classic.

People are going to play red and grow neck beards if they have the will to do so. You want more bluebies, then play nice. The people who jump onto red and get all griefy with out even reading the rules thread just don't have red blood in their hearts. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "what is LnS?" in ooc. I've even had tells after explaining LnS that "sounds like is too much work" or "i don't know where else to lvl". Sorry red is not for you then. That's not "get off my server". Its just "sorry learn to deal or I can't help you".

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by laowllol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No! LnS bitches, Norrath is big enough and twinks will always happen. Unless you want level req. on gear. That shit is not classic.

People are going to play red and grow neck beards if they have the will to do so. You want more bluebies play nice. The people who jump onto red and get all griefy with out even reading the rules thread just don't have red blood in their hearts. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "what is LnS in ooc". I've even had tells after explaining LnS that "sounds like is too much work" or "i don't know where else to lvl". Sorry red is not for you then. That not get off my server, its just sorry learn to deal or I can't help you.

No what? I'm not sure what your objecting to.

Yes, LnS works fine for prevent getting corpse camped. That's not the issues. Clearly, you've never had a fungi twink wipe your group in MM then follow you to Unrest and gank you there all soley for the purpose of preventing people from playing the game.

At low levels a fungi alone is an almost insurmountable hurdle for players in rags let alone high end hp gear, weapons, resistances, buffs and at times oor healers.

PvP is fun. Some of the best times I've had play EQ in a long time involved my rags group forcing another out of unrest yard because they were taking too many of our mobs. The difference is they could fight back.

I wish someone would do an analysis of total dps and dmg potential of casters at low levels as compared to twinks. I doubt my poor Necro could have even killed an afk twink before mid twenties.

The point is, twinks griefing naked players isn't even remote fair and when it has no other point than preventing people from playing the game it's harmful to the community and should be called out as such, not defended as some of these clowns attempt to.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, LnS works fine for prevent getting corpse camped. That's not the issues. Clearly, you've never had a fungi twink wipe your group in MM then follow you to Unrest and gank you there all soley for the purpose of preventing people from playing the game.

At low levels a fungi alone is an almost insurmountable hurdle for players in rags let alone high end hp gear, weapons, resistances, buffs and at times oor healers.

What I would love to see new players doing is commit to exp zones that are less common. I've PLed friends / shared characters in a number of zones that see absolutely no traffic.

If you are being griefed by a fungi twink in MM or Unrest, then relocate. People can easily exp in WW/OT until they can get a group of level 25-35 players and hit up dalnir.

People can easily exp at giant fort in FM and move to Dalnir/Kaesora or Nurga/Droga if they are in the appropriate level range.

Just food for thought.

[JackFlash]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I would love to see new players doing is commit to exp zones that are less common. I've PLed friends / shared characters in a number of zones that see absolutely no traffic.

If you are being griefed by a fungi twink in MM or Unrest, then relocate. People can easily exp in WW/OT until they can get a group of level 25-35 players and hit up dalnir.

People can easily exp at giant fort in FM and move to Dalnir/Kaesora or Nurga/Droga if they are in the appropriate level range.

Just food for thought.

This is very true. If you are willing to put in the effort to find something out of the way nobody will bother you. If you want to not PVP you can.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I would love to see new players doing is commit to exp zones that are less common. I've PLed friends / shared characters in a number of zones that see absolutely no traffic.

If you are being griefed by a fungi twink in MM or Unrest, then relocate. People can easily exp in WW/OT until they can get a group of level 25-35 players and hit up dalnir.

People can easily exp at giant fort in FM and move to Dalnir/Kaesora or Nurga/Droga if they are in the appropriate level range.

Just food for thought.

That would be great. However, population is still a problem. Porters are not always available.

The server seems to be growing and there are groups to be had however normally not more than 1 group for a 10 lvl range. People congregate where they expect find groups. If everyone started exping in kunark and Kunark zones, the PKs would simply move there.

Another issue is group ports arnt available till 29 and kunark till 34. Although it's feasible for grouos to all get porters over together it's simply not as efficient as having a porter in group that can fetch new group member or move the group with little to no notice.

At 30+ groups exp locations expand and PKs located in a single place arnt so much of an issue both due to the decreasing power of twinking and increasing power of naked characters. Any issues I've had, we've just immediately left guk and gone to Solb or HHP or FM. It's just harder to do a lower levels it seems like.

[Rararboker]

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[Doors]

Andis couldn't be more wrong about Holocaust helping the box. People like Nirgon, Gongshow, Colgate, etc. have gone on streams and on the blue forums and recruited tons of people to red.

As far as variance goes, it's counter productive to PVP and the only reason Azrael is lobbying for it is because it would mean they actually stood a chance at killing a raid mob in the current system. People are less likely to log on and raid something spawning at 1pm EST if they weren't already aware of it's spawn time.

Variance is a terrible idea. It discourages PVP in every aspect. It was also used on blue and was horrible. Most of you have no idea how shitty variance was because you never played on a server with 72 hour variance windows, so stop talking about it like you have a clue.

Azrael could be successful but they aren't for two reasons:

1. Lite is a horrible leader
2. Officers of Azrael are egotistical and don't want to teach, gear, or help anyone they deem as "unskilled."

Sorry but your own egos and attitudes prohibit you from succeeding more than anything. I've heard most of your officers sit in locked channels in a TS. Shit like that doesn't help build any type of guild for newer players to grow.

I could sit here all day and cite examples of how toxic Azrael is to the server and how their own behavior and attitudes are their undoing but I'm pretty sure everyone's already aware of Sickpuppy and Andis' epic rogue alts that sit in crushbone and MM pking lowbies with no gear for YT. The fact that Lite led a group into KC to corpse camp someone from Holocaust while breaking LNS rules is just another example. You can't teach cancer to not be cancer, you can only really remove it, and Azrael core has never had any ambition to make Red99 a better box, only to gear themselves and pad their own egos via the leaderboard.

[SHOWITME]

how can an entire guild raid at 1pm est? is the entire guild in college or european or wut?

or unemployed